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  1. #321
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    Quote Originally Posted by myahele View Post
    I wonder if Nerva will be a Larsa-like figure? In Yotsuyu's short story, it was said that Titus lacked a "ready heir" so maybe that could imply that Nerva was too young at the time for any official duties?
    If Nerva is young, we can also see Gaius as Regent, training Nerva to take the throne.
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  2. #322
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Lyon is a man who prefers being straight on the battlefield and call any unwilling to step on it cowards. That means Nerva is either more of a cowardly politician who prefers doing the talk, or he's a pacifist who hates the constant wars and subjugating of others. Either one could get Lyon's ire, and it increases the chances that Nerva could be somebody worth talking to and making deals with. If he's a cowardly politician, we're basically going to knock on his door and force a deal on him, as he isn't going to cross the the one who beat down Zenos. If he's a pacifist, it's very likely he knows of the Scions and will be willing to call upon our help to quell the chaos in Garlemald and bring peace back to the region (and possibly the world). Either way, Nerva is likely to play a big role in Endwalker, and possibly beyond.
    Lyon has kind of grown on me as a character. I want to see him live from Bozja and return to make amends as the beastmaster trainer in a future expansion.
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  3. #323
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kesey View Post
    Lyon has kind of grown on me as a character. I want to see him live from Bozja and return to make amends as the beastmaster trainer in a future expansion.
    I'm hoping that him, Sartauvoir, and Gabranth live to see another day after the Save the Queen questline. They're interesting characters that could make for some rather intriguing future frenemies. We'd have Gabranth as a showing of what the Scions/WoL could become if we took Utopia Justifies the Means seriously, and also as a good chessmaster considering how everything we've done so far in Save the Queen has gone according to his plans.
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    I'd also like to see Gabranth and some of his men survive. With everything set to happen in Endwalker, he'd be a good figure to gather survivors from all over Hydaelyn and found a new nation somewhere.

    Between the Bozjans and Gabranth, I'd side with the latter each and every day of the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I'm hoping that him, Sartauvoir, and Gabranth live to see another day after the Save the Queen questline. They're interesting characters that could make for some rather intriguing future frenemies. We'd have Gabranth as a showing of what the Scions/WoL could become if we took Utopia Justifies the Means seriously, and also as a good chessmaster considering how everything we've done so far in Save the Queen has gone according to his plans.
    I also hope Gabranth lives to 6.0 tbh. He’s not even necessarily a bad person as far as we know. The info we have on him suggests he’s fighting for a good cause, we’re just allied with the bozjans so we can’t actually have our own options unfortunately but i would like to see him as a reoccurring character that possibly even shows up in the msq.
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    It'd also be refreshing to see at least one antagonist leader figure survive and walk a different path. Until FFXIV does something like that, it simply won't surpass the likes of FFXII and FFVII in my eyes. After all, Rufus Shinra proved so popular a character that not only did he survive the events of the original game, he was brought back for Advent Children and allowed to continue being President. He simply took his company in a different direction.

    As it stands, it really feels as though many antagonists are killed off solely because the development team are too scared to ever kill off any of the major protagonists. So they get built up, are given far more depth than their opposition...and then sad music plays as they're cut down. It's all getting a bit repetitive, so I hope we get a bolder twist this time around.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    I'm still hoping for the twist that not only do they survive, they force a treaty where Gabranth is given full control over Dalmasca Inferior (Lea Monde, Valnain, Golmore Jungle, and Grelic's Bend) as his nation. Simply because this gives him not only his own cities, it gives him access to trade with a port town, forests and cliffs to serve as defenses, and whatever else they decide to add to that part. Said port town may be one of the only ports in the region, forcing the other nations to have to do business with his country, forcing a supply line he controls, along with access to the rare and prized Valens red wine. This allows an economy to be made rather quickly, and forces some semblance of political talks with the neighboring countries (and forces the Scions to play nice).

    Yes, I want his country to be made, and yes, I want to see just how things change due to it. There's a lot of ways we can go with the IVth Legion now, and I'm hoping it leads to some interesting world changes.
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  8. #328
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I'm hoping that him, Sartauvoir, and Gabranth live to see another day after the Save the Queen questline. They're interesting characters that could make for some rather intriguing future frenemies. We'd have Gabranth as a showing of what the Scions/WoL could become if we took Utopia Justifies the Means seriously, and also as a good chessmaster considering how everything we've done so far in Save the Queen has gone according to his plans.
    Did Sartauvoir survive the duel you get with him? I quite liked him as well, and not just because Thunderer accompanied his visits, but also because he fits the formidable pyromancer archetype, and he helped me get my Entropic Flame fix. In any case, Gabranth doesn't share many of the negative traits some of the other Legati do (Valens being the most obvious example), and putting aside the liberation movements simply wanting liberation so they can install their own regimes, I'd like to see him lead a nation that itself has a "frenemy" disposition to the main city states, even if Garlemald sees Nerva guided by Gaius (or something else) play out.


    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    It'd also be refreshing to see at least one antagonist leader figure survive and walk a different path. Until FFXIV does something like that, it simply won't surpass the likes of FFXII and FFVII in my eyes. After all, Rufus Shinra proved so popular a character that not only did he survive the events of the original game, he was brought back for Advent Children and allowed to continue being President. He simply took his company in a different direction.

    As it stands, it really feels as though many antagonists are killed off solely because the development team are too scared to ever kill off any of the major protagonists. So they get built up, are given far more depth than their opposition...and then sad music plays as they're cut down. It's all getting a bit repetitive, so I hope we get a bolder twist this time around.
    At least we're seeing something decent, along those lines, play out with the whole remembrance theme, and Emet narrating the 6.0 trailer... but I agree, I'd like to see something at a more mundane level as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I'm still hoping for the twist that not only do they survive, they force a treaty where Gabranth is given full control over Dalmasca Inferior (Lea Monde, Valnain, Golmore Jungle, and Grelic's Bend) as his nation. Simply because this gives him not only his own cities, it gives him access to trade with a port town, forests and cliffs to serve as defenses, and whatever else they decide to add to that part. Said port town may be one of the only ports in the region, forcing the other nations to have to do business with his country, forcing a supply line he controls, along with access to the rare and prized Valens red wine. This allows an economy to be made rather quickly, and forces some semblance of political talks with the neighboring countries (and forces the Scions to play nice).

    Yes, I want his country to be made, and yes, I want to see just how things change due to it. There's a lot of ways we can go with the IVth Legion now, and I'm hoping it leads to some interesting world changes.
    Agreed. I'd like something like this, too. Something a bit like Archades, even if not quite an empire.
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  9. #329
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    Did Sartauvoir survive the duel you get with him? I quite liked him as well, and not just because Thunderer accompanied his visits, but also because he fits the formidable pyromancer archetype, and he helped me get my Entropic Flame fix. In any case, Gabranth doesn't share many of the negative traits some of the other Legati do (Valens being the most obvious example), and putting aside the liberation movements simply wanting liberation so they can install their own regimes, I'd like to see him lead a nation that itself has a "frenemy" disposition to the main city states, even if Garlemald sees Nerva guided by Gaius (or something else) play out.
    Pretty sure he died from over exerting his body but its still kinda up in the air (Probably dead though he went up in flames). The only mage knight we know of dead, shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I'm still hoping for the twist that not only do they survive, they force a treaty where Gabranth is given full control over Dalmasca Inferior (Lea Monde, Valnain, Golmore Jungle, and Grelic's Bend) as his nation. Simply because this gives him not only his own cities, it gives him access to trade with a port town, forests and cliffs to serve as defenses, and whatever else they decide to add to that part. Said port town may be one of the only ports in the region, forcing the other nations to have to do business with his country, forcing a supply line he controls, along with access to the rare and prized Valens red wine. This allows an economy to be made rather quickly, and forces some semblance of political talks with the neighboring countries (and forces the Scions to play nice).

    Yes, I want his country to be made, and yes, I want to see just how things change due to it. There's a lot of ways we can go with the IVth Legion now, and I'm hoping it leads to some interesting world changes.
    I don't think Gabranth is going to die yet, but I also don't think the storyline is going to wrap up yet. Probably will lead into the next weapons quest or some other sort of side content in 6.X.

    Your hypothetical scenario doesn't really track very well to me though. The current situation doesn't have much to do with Lente's Tears, who are just another allied force to the Bozjan resistance and they've already bombed out the capitol of Dalmasca (Superior), so it's hard to imagine that their resistance cell will stop unless they're completely wiped out. Even assuming they did gain enough of a foothold in Dalmasca Inferior to establish a nation independent from Garlemald, they're still only a stone's throw away from what is essentially the world's premiere port city in Thavnair, so they are entirely avoidable if one wanted to trade with Hingashi or Yanxia; they would need intel from within Lente's Tears to know that the bottles of Valens Red even exists let alone where the cell hid the wine; and they're still an invading force trying to colonize a foreign land, so there's no need for any governmental body to treat with them unless they're trying to win their favor. They'll be in an especially precarious position past 6.0 once the Garlean capitol (and presumably their government) falls and it becomes clear they won't be receiving reinforcements at the same time that bodies such as Doma and the Eorzean alliance are no longer preoccupied with the main empire as a looming threat (although Eorzea will likely be too busy dealing with internal politics due to how much the ongoing conflict with Garlemald has influenced their governments).
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