RP Party finders being reported AGAIN without so much as a reason.

[Arillyn]

Let me repeat it again.
It is not SE or FF14 community's responsibility to differentiate ERP from normal RP in a game not rated M.
SE has all the measurement installed to prevent themselves in trouble with any legal institution (Yes, sorry to inform you that NA is not the central of world in this game)
It is RP community's responsibility to purge ERP that dirtied their names by actively report any known ERP to the GM.
It is not FF14 community's task to differentiate that; we don't care, we are not interest and it is not our problem as rules are already in place.
Just stop wasting time to argue with us and just take action to purge ERP from your own RP community first

I get what you are saying - but as Enla even stated - there are people selling ERP that aren't even RPers or selling it to RPers. Soooo... not sure what the RP community can really do? I mean sure they can report ERPers if they are advertising out in the open in the game just like every one else can, but those people who are going to ERP are going to ERP whether it's advertised on PF or not. It's existed in every single online game I have ever played and it will continue to exist on online games that aren't even out yet. Internet and all that.

My only gripe is people not being... smart... and just equating all RP with ERP. It most certainly isn't.

[Cyreil]

Let me repeat it again.
It is not SE or FF14 community's responsibility to differentiate ERP from normal RP in a game not rated M.
SE has all the measurement installed to prevent themselves in trouble with any legal institution (Yes, sorry to inform you that NA is not the central of world in this game)
It is RP community's responsibility to purge ERP that dirtied their names by actively report any known ERP to the GM.
It is not FF14 community's task to differentiate that; we don't care, we are not interest and it is not our problem as rules are already in place.
Just stop wasting time to argue with us and just take action to purge ERP from your own RP community first

You want to victim blame? Fine. I can just as easily say that it's your fault that there is are people running around spewing vitriol in Novice Network. So it's your job as Mentor's or Raiders to purge them. But all you have to do is report them and move on right? You want to remove bots from the game because they clearly are breaking the rules? Just report them, right? How's that working out for you so far?

[Divinemights]

You want to victim blame? Fine. I can just as easily say that it's your fault that there is are people running around spewing vitriol in Novice Network. So it's your job as Mentor's or Raiders to purge them. But all you have to do is report them and move on right? You want to remove bots from the game because they clearly are breaking the rules? Just report them, right? How's that working out for you so far?

Re-check your statement and try again.
I know you just want to argue because of the sake of arguing but your illustration doesn't even makes sense.
ERP on party finder and Novice Network is not even on the same scale.
Party finder is data center wide accessible while Novice Network only accessible to a small fraction of people want to be mentor.
90% of players played are not even in Novice Network.
Also, I am pretty sure other mentors also have ability to discipline trouble maker by kick that person out of network
Please try harder

[Penthea]

You want to victim blame? Fine. I can just as easily say that it's your fault that there is are people running around spewing vitriol in Novice Network. So it's your job as Mentor's or Raiders to purge them. But all you have to do is report them and move on right? You want to remove bots from the game because they clearly are breaking the rules? Just report them, right? How's that working out for you so far?

Well there's the phrase "be the change you want to see". The only things players can do is be the sort of player they think should be permitted in the game, not associate with who they believe to be toxic, and report those who are displaying behaviour against the ToS. Which is already what many players are doing.

EDIT: just want to make it clear I'm not disagreeing with you. I just realised my post may come off as me trying to correct you on something. I was just adding my two cents to what you had said.

[Saefinn]

Let me repeat it again.
It is not SE or FF14 community's responsibility to differentiate ERP from normal RP in a game not rated M.
SE has all the measurement installed to prevent themselves in trouble with any legal institution (Yes, sorry to inform you that NA is not the central of world in this game)
It is RP community's responsibility to purge ERP that dirtied their names by actively report any known ERP to the GM.
It is not FF14 community's task to differentiate that; we don't care, we are not interest and it is not our problem as rules are already in place.
Just stop wasting time to argue with us and just take action to purge ERP from your own RP community first

If you make a statement. The accuracy of that statement is your responsibility.
If you're going to make a judgment. The accuracy of that judgment is your responsibility.
If you're going to punish somebody. Then it is your responsibility to make sure they are guilty of wrong doing.

And it is not exactly difficult to know the difference either, because the letter 'E' and what it stands for defines the difference.


And RP communities do self police, and we do throw people out if they're guilty of wrong doing. I run a community and have done that. Heck, from my reading of comments in a previous thread like this, it sounds like ERP venues do too, somebody who runs an ERP community explained what happened with a guy who was kicked out of and ostracised by their greater community, GM's and the police got involved because the dude was knowingly ERPing with a minor. They used it as an anecdote how they self moderate too.

But it is not player responsibility to moderate other players. If you know somebody is using ACT or is using mods, it's not even your responsibility to report them to a GM. There's no obligation, but obviously, concerned players will and they'll make use of the report feature.

And if it were their responsibility, the dev's and GM's are not clear on whether 'ERP' itself constitutes as wrong doing, heck, we have GM responses to suggest it's fine. What we do know they don't favour is the PF advertisement of ERP venues (and even THAT has never been clearly stated, but only deduced based on a common denominator of people who have been moderated), and feedback has been over age concern judging by the logs that were posted in this thread, but the same GM backpedalled when asked more on it. The ToS is vague enough to not condemn the act, the GM's too vague to give a clear answer on whether it's okay.


And no statement has ever been released on an official capacity that it is wrong for players to ERP. And it's not an illegal act either when it's between consenting adults. It might be in some countries, but YoshiP has already made a statement they have the country-by-country legal resources on issues the GM's investigate. Because it'd be ludicrous to create a ruleset that applies to everyone that accommodates the laws of all countries in the world, but makes sense if they do for the country of the offender.

So what that means is, your typical attitude towards it is going to be, "it's not my thing, but it's not my place to dictate how other people RP, or how they choose to enjoy the game" and that's normally what it is. Which if they're not doing anything wrong, is the right attitude to have.

And I don't subscribe to the idea of ostracizing a group of people because there are people too ignorant to see the difference between RP and ERP.

Fortunately the GM's look at things on a case-by-case basis rather than in a blanketed way. The one time one single GM didn't (with ERP and RP advertisements), it was looked into, those who didn't commit any wrong doing had the actions against their account reversed and a statement was issues to say they got it wrong and clarified what happened.

[Enla]

I feel like people are also vastly underestimating the size of the RP community. Even if every ERPer was part of it, which isn't the case, it's still numbers in the thousands if not vastly more depending on if you count currently active subs or people who have let their sub lapse but still RP over discord. It's almost impossible to 'police' that amount of people on a disconnected community level. Especially when the community is divided across multiple servers and data centers, and each has it's own RP scene that can be vastly different from the others. The only time I've seen a server's (not even the wider RP community, JUST THIS ONE SERVER) RP community come together like that was YEARS ago and it was in response to a chronic harasser that the GM's refused to deal with and whom would go to events and start disrupting people at every turn. Even then it wasn't until they hit almost every RP venue, sending tells to random people (myself included) to complain about the person they were stalking, started disrupting the raiders in Ul'dah, AND conned people out of money for dozens of name changes and fantasias that the wider community somewhat cracked down on them. Not because the word wasn't getting out but because even back then the community even on just Balmung was too big to effectively get the word out about this person. For every FC that was warned and knew to blacklist, or had access to their lodestone to get around the constant name changes, there were several others that hadn't gotten the word yet. Even then it was the harasser's own boredom that eventually made them transfer off the server. And all those warnings being thrown around? Didn't make it to the new server.

It's on SE to lay down the law in this particular instance. You cannot expect a huge and broken up community to do it for them.

[Awha]

Honestly ERP is as natural to the MMO experience as RMT. I get the desire to want to purge it or at the very least move it into the deep underground. As the old saying goes out of sight out of mind.

The question is as it stands how far is SE willing to go, that will be interesting outcome of this.

[Shibi]

meanwhile... this still happens...

[Cyreil]

meanwhile... this still happens...

What does that have to do with RP?

[Awha]

meanwhile... this still happens...

Hey they have some HQ feet why not make some money off it be it gil or otherwise.

No kink shame here.