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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    SE wouldn't bother adding more wards if it was intended solely as a status symbol. We'd still be back at the original 5 wards (and no subdivisions) per district. Instead they kept adding wards and there are periods in the game's history where many plots were left unsold on the majority of worlds. Many JP worlds almost always have some available houses because their populations are so much lower than the populations on the NA and EU worlds.
    Squeenix is trying to toe a fine line here of managing backlash. If they were to add too much housing, people who already have houses would complain loudly about how people are getting houses easier than they did. If they add too little housing, they get different backlash from people who are locked out of the housing system. The issue is that they're only putting bandaids on this problem whenever the backlash goes from minor inconvenience to potential PR disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkevorkhat View Post
    If they were to add too much housing, people who already have houses would complain loudly about how people are getting houses easier than they did.
    You really think so? A lot of people who advocate for the addition of much more wards and/or a proper instanced housing system are players who already have a house. Some have had their house for years.

    Personally I want future players to have a much easier time than I did. I wouldn't wish the hopelessness and frustration I felt on anyone. I want everyone to be able to enjoy housing without any worries.
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    I agree, I've done Housing (Savage) a number of times, both for my Alt's FC and to attempt to get a personal house. The lengths that people are effectively forced to go to in order to compete on a level playing field in housing are absolutely staggering.

    I find that oftentimes people who have been playing a long time, especially those who have been playing since 1.0, have this mentality that because they had to struggle, it lessens their acheivements if things are made easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkevorkhat View Post
    I find that oftentimes people who have been playing a long time, especially those who have been playing since 1.0, have this mentality that because they had to struggle, it lessens their acheivements if things are made easier.
    Considering there have been several periods in the game's history where it was easy to obtain a house on most worlds, any sense of achievement related to general house ownership should be water long passed under the bridge since clearly SE has not been motivated by trying to make a house feel like a difficult achievement. My first house was easy to get back in the second half of HW. My current house was a bit of a wait (needed the 4.2 ward expansion) but the ward it's in had several empty plots for most of 2018.

    Even now, many of the JP worlds and two of the EU worlds have houses available for those who want a house. The lack of available houses is primarily a NA problem since all our worlds are packed. Our world populations exploded after the failure of some other MMOs late 2018/early 2019, which I'm fairly certain SE never anticipated even if they're probably happy the game has become so popular in the western hemisphere.

    But it definitely put a spotlight of the pitfalls of having content based on a limited resource system that is static in quantity across all worlds when world populations are not even close to being evenly distributed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkevorkhat View Post
    If they were to add too much housing, people who already have houses would complain loudly about how people are getting houses easier than they did.
    The argument "I suffered while doing it, so others doing it should suffer too," should be paid no heed.
    There is no legitimate argument there, just bitterness couched in spite for others.
    If SQEX can make housing less insufferable there will be much rejoicing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkevorkhat View Post
    If they were to add too much housing, people who already have houses would complain loudly about how people are getting houses easier than they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkevorkhat View Post
    Squeenix is trying to toe a fine line here of managing backlash. If they were to add too much housing, people who already have houses would complain loudly about how people are getting houses easier than they did.
    I legit lol'd at this. Why? Because the FC I'm in had to pay $90 mil gil for our large back before the housing prices were reduced. So people and FCs now already have it easier to get a house in regards to gil (which is also far easier to obtain than it was back when housing costs were so much more). I don't think anyone in the FC fussed about that. We had to battle to get housing still - it happened during the great Christmas demo several years ago. It was demos happening (for the first time ever) on all worlds on Christmas day, not all servers went at the same time. And when houses popped on your server it was a literal race with others to secure a plot.

    Also when I got my personal it was so super easy to get. I had my pick of houses. It was well before housing prices were reduced and when there were a ton of plots open on all the servers. It's much more difficult now to get a house than it was back then. I would LOVE if SE would open it up so anyone who wants a house - personal or FC - can have one. I'm not going to shake my fist and say "back in my day... and these whippersnappers just get a house so easy and at half the price I did".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arillyn View Post
    I'm not going to shake my fist and say "back in my day... and these whippersnappers just get a house so easy and at half the price I did".
    Instead I'm shaking my fist at SE for making house acquisition and supply so terrible. I got my house several years ago and I didn't become magically okay with the system when I finally got my plot. SE can and should do better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    Instead I'm shaking my fist at SE for making house acquisition and supply so terrible. I got my house several years ago and I didn't become magically okay with the system when I finally got my plot. SE can and should do better.
    I'm in agreement with you? I'm not okay with how it is either. I was responding to that guy that people who got their houses aren't going to suddenly be upset if housing opens up to where everyone can have one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arillyn View Post
    I'm in agreement with you? I'm not okay with how it is either. I was responding to that guy that people who got their houses aren't going to suddenly be upset if housing opens up to where everyone can have one.
    Nah I wasn't trying to correct you or argue with you at all, was just saying that even as a person who got a house during a time when it was incredibly difficult to I would never direct any anger at those who have an easier time. Instead I'm directing it at SE for not making it easier. I think the housing content itself is wonderful and I loathe that so many are deprived of the joy of experiencing it due to no fault of their own.
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