I bought a house for my FC, but housing Savage was a nightmare!

[GavynG]

The housing system in this game was designed to be a status symbol

We are all paying to have the same damn features. Those of us that want one already go through the long process of saving gil for it. That's what makes it prestigious. The ability to afford one. Not the lack of availability.

The system needs to be changed. There is NOTHING that justifies this.

[ItMe]

[...] and make houses FC only while kicking all the personal houses out. The housing areas were never meant for personal housing.

No thank you.
Maybe it wasn't initially meant for personal houses, but it's too late to go back now.
Kicking people out of their houses is no good.

[Bsrking5]

I'd argue that such an approach isn't really a 'simple' solution and would draw a significant amount of contempt towards the development team from people who worked hard to acquire a personal house for their own use.

They've decided to have both Free Company and personal housing be something exclusive with a lot of prestige. It's not a perfect system and there's ways in which it could be improved...but taking things away from existing players is a recipe for disaster.

Its a flawed system that needs a core change to ever have a hope of being "good" content. A significant one time contempt is better than slightly less significant persistent contempt. And taking away from players a broken barely functioning content and giving them a functional content is better.

Im sure if they add legacy apartments thats similar to a medium house would be welcomed if it meant more players in housing as part of the removal of personal houses.

You can't please everyone, but the way its going now, its not pleasing to most players and will only continue to be a disaster.

[Bsrking5]

No thank you.
Maybe it wasn't initially meant for personal houses, but it's too late to go back now.
Kicking people out of their houses is no good.

Its never to late, look at TP and tell me that it missed the too late deadline to be safe.

[ItMe]

Its never to late, look at TP and tell me that it missed the too late deadline to be safe.

I don't see how that's a relevant comparison.

[LianaThorne]

Can we find a solution that doesn't involve taking personals from players who didn't do anything wrong in the first place? If you're gonna target houses to be removed then make it the people that have taken over full wards by exploiting the FC system...

[Divinemights]

We both know that while SE intended this, this isn't how players typically act. Everyone knows your best chance at getting a house is never leaving the plot until it has been bought. So of course many people are going to do that. So then to compete with that other players do the same.

I am really bored to go through with you on same points we went through in the Housing forum to be honest.
If you are not listening there and you will not be listening here.
You literally have no evidence to say that camping in front of a placard is the best option to obtain the house and all your "theories" is based on your assumption.
Not only the people that obtain the house without camping will be less likely to post here.
If you search the housing forum you can also seeing other posters saying some random guys got the house when they are camping there (most of people blames on relocation but is that really the case?)

The timer has already being discussed extensively on Housing forum.
There is something called time zones
You may not aware of this, SE never uses NA/EU to refer English servers; they used the term "international" instead.
There are maybe players from other time zones (not just US) that playing on your server.
The timer is just about right if they want to cover all time zones.

No one really cares about your reason to obtain a house as everyone their own reason.
No one cares if it is for FC or for your online girl etc as it is irreverent.
You don't have priority just because you are a FC leader
I don't know why every one always start with this attempting guilt punch in their post

Just stop blame player behavior on the system.
For example, NA has a very well structure legal the system for people that speeding and drunk driving.
How did that work out?
People will still be speeding and are you going to blame on the legal system too?

[Penthea]

I am really bored to go through with you on same points we went through in the Housing forum to be honest.
If you are not listening there and you will not be listening here.

You are free to ignore my posts.

You literally have no evidence to say that camping in from of a placard is the best option to obtain the house and all your "theories" is based on your assumption.

So are you trying to say someone who buys a lotto ticket only once has equal chance of winning to someone who buys many all the time? The placard is a lottery. No one knows exactly how long the timers are and if many people are clicking it constantly any of them could be the winner. A person who stays at the placard constantly is more likely to hit purchase when the window opens than someone who leaves periodically. Some people get lucky and are able to purchase without much or any camping, just like how someone could get lucky and win the lotto with the only ticket they have ever bought. But this doesn't change that the odds are not in your favour if you participate much less.

You may not aware of this, SE never uses NA/EU to refer English servers; they used the term "international" instead.

I'm completely aware of this given I have had to remind many players here that these aren't NA forums, they're forums for English speakers.

The timer is just about right if they want to cover all time zones.

Perhaps this is why SE has the timer in its current state. As far as I'm aware they have not commented on it. Regardless of this though having the timer as long as it is does make many feel that they have to stay there for the full duration to have a good chance of success.

That mental distress is origin from small potion of players

It is a player generated issue but if you have been playing mmos for a long time you would know that it's very common for players to go to extremes to get what they want, and if it's a competition for a highly sought limited resource this attitude can creep into other players who would usually not do that. And well for those who don't want to if they're a pc player they sometimes choose to bot.

But the root of the problem goes back to SE making a very bad housing system. The housing content itself is great, which is why so many want a house, but the acquisition process and availability issues are horrendous.

[Theodric]

And taking away from players a broken barely functioning content and giving them a functional content is better.

Whether it's 'broken' in the first place is a matter of perspective. Some of us have had our houses for years, used them almost daily and get plenty of mileage out of them. It's a shame that not everybody gets to have one, as is the case in other MMO's such as ESO and even pseudo-MMO's such as Monster Hunter World...but to remove existing houses from players who worked hard to get one simply wouldn't sit well with a lot of people. It'd cause a chunk of them to leave in contempt and others who weren't affected would start worrying about what other toys the development team would suddenly take away from them. It'd also result in a significant amount of negative media coverage.

[Divinemights]

So are you trying to say someone who buys a lotto ticket only once has equal chance of winning to someone who buys many all the time? The placard is a lottery. No one knows exactly how long the timers are and if many people are clicking it constantly any of them could be the winner. A person who stays at the placard constantly is more likely to hit purchase when the window opens than someone who leaves periodically. Some people get lucky and are able to purchase without much or any camping, just like how someone could get lucky and win the lotto with the only ticket they have ever bought. But this doesn't change that the odds are not in your favour if you participate much less.

No?
Click on placard is no even close to the lottery; not even close.
Jumbo Catpot is the true lottery in FF14
The concept is fundamentally different and whatever you said still doesn't support your claim that camping placard is the best option.
If player choose to go that way, it is on them, not on the system