RP Party finders being reported AGAIN without so much as a reason.

[Shin96]

It does. People may want to use the party finder to find a party for RP and that's fine.

There's no category for it though. If anything "Other" might be considered the sub-category for it but even then why not just use the Fellowship Finder? It's better to organize and DF should be exclusive to people that want to complete actual game content compared to non-related gameplay. If SE wanted RP to be used in PF they would just give its own category.

[Jijifli]

Keep RP off Party Finder. It does not belong there. There are plenty of places people can do RP but you should reserve your better judgement and leave it to people that actually use it for its intended purpose.

RP is perfectly fine on the PF. The 'other' tab exists for a reason.

Don't give that GM who went overboard's excuse too about how it's meant to make parties for clearing content, since not even the active help says it's for clearing content, it's just to form groups. Advertising for people to come to your RP is, in fact, forming a group.

There's no category for it though. If anything "Other" might be considered the sub-category for it but even then why not just use the Fellowship Finder? It's better to organize and DF should be exclusive to people that want to complete actual game content compared to non-related gameplay. If SE wanted RP to be used in PF they would just give its own category.

Oh wait you already kind of did.

[Mirhd]

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Oh, I know exactly what struggles they and the parents/close family of significantly autistic people go through... given they lived with us for a while. Not gonna go into all if it since it's not the internets' business, but having to keep someone from hurting themselves or others because they're overstimulated and want to communicate something badly but can't, having to deal with random strangers berating you/the autistic person because they're "behaving badly" (overstimulated again) when you're outside and just trying to get grocery shopping done... Listening to your severely depressed sibling crying because they think it's their fault, they don't know how to get the proper help the autistic person needs (past. things are much better these days), etc.... Yeah, kiddo, I definitely know what it's like. Gonna stop there before I get more heated.

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All of this. Sorry you had to deal with the absolute trash of the internet.

[Awha]

So... your friends are functioning enough to have lewd conversations and simultaneously not aware enough of the fact that people lie? Actions have consequences. Damage is done even if you don't realise you are being lied too. If your friends are of an age where they can have such conversations and desires. You should know the universal rule of the internet and life. People lie. It's easy to lie online, everyone knows this. If they have not learned it now they should, you cannot know a person onlines age for certain so you best not engage in sexual conduct with them. For yourself not being duped and for the sake of a young person not being exposed to content that they are not meant to be.

Age absolutely should be a factor, I was a "mature" child in the sense I could hold conversation well with older people. I still was not ready for a 26yo man to send me a full frontal nude of himself when I was 14. He was more concerned with his own wants, much like the ERP defenders. Total apathy towards the kids they could be sexting with because they want to get off. A child can be as "mature" as you want, they literally have not mentally developed enough to properly cope with these situations properly. Your friends are adults, they have the same responsibility as any other sexually active adult. If they have not met the person and know their age for sure. Don't go anywhere near sexual conversations. Really not hard and it's not hard to understand even if they cannot get the social ques or catch a lie. THAT fact is something they should have no problem understanding if they are functioning enough to have these convos.

Trust me I do not get the general idea of ERP, or the allure behind sexual conversations. I value the personal interaction not a faceless one. Though we cannot deny that in this digital age that online relationships will become even more common. Also even though I may not understand the allure I am not going to say that the desire for such a connection may not be a desire some seek.

Thing is age in itself does not determine the maturity of ability to understand human nature and behavior in itself. For the most part those who may have lower emotional intelligence generally are more naïve and trustworthy when it comes to people because they base many of their interactions with others with ones they have around them often. Normally these are people that have their best interest in mind so they feel everyone around them has said interests in mind.

You are right that is not always the case and they are often gullible almost akin to a child. So in practice some may be an adult in body but in terms of mind they may still be a gullible teenager in the emotional sense. That is why I have an issue age. Since generally the law to a degree does take other factors into account but for the most part all that is seen is just the age.

Though my stance regarding placing blame on minors also has to serve as a deterrent for those that are willing to weaponize their age against others. Sure it may not be common, but in my personal view one false allegation is one too many and we should do everything to protect those who are falsely accused by making false allegations bare more of a negative consequence for those that made them.

Sure this is a victim blame stance to a degree sadly as many have said people lie, and some are vile and age has no barring on that. The law should reflect that.

Oh, I know exactly what struggles they and the parents/close family of significantly autistic people go through... given they lived with us for a while. Not gonna go into all if it since it's not the internets' business, but having to keep someone from hurting themselves or others because they're overstimulated and want to communicate something badly but can't, having to deal with random strangers berating you/the autistic person because they're "behaving badly" (overstimulated again) when you're outside and just trying to get grocery shopping done... Listening to your severely depressed sibling crying because they think it's their fault, they don't know how to get the proper help the autistic person needs (past. things are much better these days), etc.... Yeah, kiddo, I definitely know what it's like. Gonna stop there before I get more heated.



All of this. Sorry you had to deal with the absolute trash of the internet.

Get heated my point remains you will never understand what goes on through the head of someone on the spectrum. You can understand on the outside but you will never understand what it is like unless you have lived through it yourself.

That is what I am getting at you say it is an excuse, but the reality it is not. It is a spectrum disorder they have degrees not just high functioning and low functioning. My stance has a lot to deal with those who fall in the middle of both extremes and they can often find themselves in weird spots cause of how they are.

Do not get me wrong in terms of a video game I do not have much sympathy since it has a age rating and for the most part should be a sign. Though my stance has more to do with general online interactions that do not have an easy metric like a video game.

Sorry if I get heated, but my parents did the same thing when I found myself nearly facing legal trouble due to the comic store issue. Sure they me well to try and understanding, and I am not going to say it is easy to deal with but just because you may witness what is going and have to live through it. Still does not amount to understanding.

Sadly using the age only mindset runs the risk of letting people fall through the cracks, I have seen what happens to those people and it hurts and is painful. Most people say the same they they should have known better or had their caregiver watch them better. In which case does not fly for children, though for people that may have the mindset in certain degrees as a child when it comes to social interactions they told tough luck should have known better. If mentality is the primary reason age itself should not matter, and we should look at all factors.

I do not mean to come off as harsh, but please understand living in this world where people only see two sides of the and refuse to see how wide a gambit it really is. It annoys me greatly personally cause in terms of my brother he is not low functioning but I also would not what many would call high functioning. It is rough really went through the ringer with him, a girl lied about her age, and they have sexual relations and her mom found out. Sadly my brother was found guilty cause he did the deed. Sadly he was locked up, and it hurts cause as my older brother he always protected me and I was unable to do anything for him while everyone treated him like a monster over what was largely a misunderstanding.

I do not know how I would handle his case differently cause he did do the action, but I also do not think if he knew her age it would have turned out this way cause that is what lead to the fallout he found out her age after many months of dating and the mom got involved and he was truly sorry. Though the law did not matter cause the age, even though it was confirmed that he had the mentality of a teenager when it came to emotional and social intelligence. Though he still knew what he did was wrong, given then age difference. It was a weird time for us.

So even I do not know how one may feel going through this either, but I do understand enough to know that good people fall under the cracks when we just look at age. It is rough for me cause I tend to also see the world in a very binary way, and for the most part unless I am personally invested I am not very logically contestant.

Sure it may be an excuse to you, but for me it is something I have lived through. Sure those around me may have poor judgement but I have also seen the horrors that so called minors are capable of. As I mentioned being a vile person is possible despite the age and our laws when it comes to sexual cases should reflect this.

Sorry English is also not my native tongue.

[Shin96]

RP is perfectly fine on the PF. The 'other' tab exists for a reason.

If I was a Roleplayer I would just get over myself and use Fellowship Finder. There clearly is a demographic of players that are trying to push their own agenda in the guise of RP. ERP is an offspring of that and allows certain individuals to hijack that environment. There really isn't anything against your argument, but I personally would be willing to accept the loss if it meant those 18+ groups aren't going around smearing RP in general. That power tripping GM was clearly mishandling the situation but I can see the points raised against RP used in PF as well.

[Jijifli]

I personally would be willing to accept the loss if it meant those 18+ groups aren't going around smearing RP in general.

People will think RP = ERP no matter what.

The amount of times people assume I'd smut a kid just because I RP a teen is enough proof of that.

[Jeeqbit]

There's no category for it though. If anything "Other" might be considered the sub-category for it but even then why not just use the Fellowship Finder? It's better to organize and DF should be exclusive to people that want to complete actual game content compared to non-related gameplay.

The fellowship finder is good and is used for advertising RP groups. It's also checked frequently by a lot players and fellowships fill up to 1,000 quite easily, proving the amount of attention they get.

It's at least reasonable to use Party Finder if they are not advertising a future event and instead are advertising RP that is happening right now, or are seeking an RP party right now.

If SE wanted RP to be used in PF they would just give its own category.

I don't agree with you. There did not even used to be an RP status icon, despite this being desired for years before it happened. I think it took posing the question of an RP icon directly to the person who handles that in a Q&A for it to actually happen.

SE has expressed a lot more interest in RP features recently so maybe it will happen soon.

[Penthea]

If SE wanted RP to be used in PF they would just give its own category.

SE recently made a statement regarding a GM who was punishing players for PF use that wasn't against the ToS, and admitted that this should not have happened. The issue mostly affected rp posts (one was some poor fisher looking for a fishing friend, lol). If SE were against rp in PF that would have been the time to say it, but they did not say it. They just acknowledged the GM issue and apologised for it. In the past SE have said players should report house flippers advertising in PF. SE have never said rp advertisement in PF is a reportable offense. Even the PF tutorial does not specifically say exactly what content the utility is intended for.

I think that SE didn't think rpers would use PF for that function which is why there is no specific tab for it, and don't take issue with it unless it breaks the ToS. The many clearly adult content posts that we have seen lately pop up in these discussions being an example of what they don't permit.

RP is perfectly fine on the PF. The 'other' tab exists for a reason.

Exactly. SE recognise there are activities players would want to find people for that are not listed in the rest of the tabs.

[Shin96]

SE has expressed a lot more interest in RP features recently so maybe it will happen soon.

And it will brings its new fair share of issues. Don't have anything against people roleplaying in their garden or simulating grilling, but the demographic of people arguing against players that are concerned about minors, I find to be worrysome. If you reached adulthood there is a set of morals one should adopt and in a game there's no way you can identify anyone's age so I think ERP is kind of predatory in its nature. In an environment with fully consenting adults that is an entirely different topic altogether. As I said, I don't really agree with RP on PF but I'm not the one that is writing the ToS here. If there are power tripping GM's abusing their might because they have a personal vendetta against RP's they too need to be held accountible.

[Vahlnir]

That feels like a stretch when the person being "offended" sought out that content for the express purpose of being offended by it.

It's not a stretch. It's literally the ToS. THIS is what they have quoted before punishing players for their conduct in regards to this. If someone gets reported for hosting ToS breaking RP, that is on them, not the person (or persons) reporting them.