RP Party finders being reported AGAIN without so much as a reason.

[Awha]

That feels like a stretch when the person being "offended" sought out that content for the express purpose of being offended by it.

Thing is how you feel is irrelevant. All that matters is how SE feels and they feel it covers them enough.

We may or not may not agree but we have agreed to the terms and that is it. Trust me I do not agree with section 3.3 across the board. I do not think people should be punished for profanity if the game has a filter since one has to turn it off. Though this has less to do with what we may agree and more so picking fights. This is a weird hill imo for people to choose to die on.

When they have other means to take part in the "content" they wish to take part in.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Alright I'm going to lay some truth on this whole forum. The folks decrying this stuff are hypocrites in the highest form. You can't tell me that you haven't had a deviant thought run through your mind or looked a nsfw picture. It's called the human condition. None of us are able to escape it. So shut up with your sanctimonious virtue signaling - it's really gross and inappropriate. You want to wash your cups from the outside to give the appearance of "holier than thou" but the inside of your cups are just as dirty, just as smelly and nasty as anyone else. You do not have the moral high ground, so stop pretending that you do, objective people know this, and all you are doing is outing yourselves as gross hypocrites every time this subject manner is broached as a negative.

Also, where are the PARENTS at?, and why you letting YOUR CHILDREN stay up and go to these venues (if that's happening)? That is on YOU!!! Bad parenting.

If YOU as an adult have the bad judgement to sext with a stranger online and it happens to be a minor. It's on YOU. There is no excuses, parents have a responsibility but so do anyone who ERP's. Namely that you cannot know the age of who you are talking to and if you are ok with that possibly being a child you are wrong in the head. Men in real life get charged for SA on minors and the excuse "they lied about their age" doesn't fly. Doesn't matter if that child went looking because they are a horny teen. Adults have no business having open sexual relations where they have no idea if they are getting their jollies off with a child. Disgusting. RP whatever you want with consenting adults. These venues have no way to verify age. They have no place in this game so far as I am concerned. I grew up playing games online. I met PLENTY of disgusting sickos online who had no problems with me being underage and still trying their creeper crap. And I knew to stay AWAY from it. That sh*ts scarring. Take it seriously.

[Divinemights]

Maybe. My understanding from that statement was that Yoshi P was specifically talking about activities that would be illegal (such as sexual situations involving minors). ERP may be distasteful, but it isn't illegal anywhere as far as I know as long as you're keeping it above the age of consent.

There is where our arrogance is from.
No, in many non western countries, they would prosecute you even you are only "intends" to do anything sexually to minor (verbally).
In Western, you can spit anything from your mouth but that is now how Eastern works.
Everything you said and you behave provides the information to judge on you

[Awha]

RIP going down the rabbit hole again. If someone lies about their age then the adult should not be punished in the legal sense imo. Though I get many will disagree cause children lack the judgement etc . . . Though I will say this it is easy to lie about ones age especially if the child is on the emotionally mature side and the adult is not as emotionally mature or does not pick up on social queues as easily.

I am on the spectrum as are many of my friends and some of my friends have fallen victim to people lying about their age cause they are just not equipped to handle the difference. Please do not paint such wide strokes about people.

[SturmChurro]

Second Life comes to mind as a free alternative website that is very open about being a hub for public ERP/sex as a whole.

People can't make gil on Second Life.

RIP going down the rabbit hole again. If someone lies about their age then the adult should not be punished in the legal sense imo. Though I get many will disagree cause children lack the judgement etc . . . Though I will say this it is easy to lie about ones age especially if the child is on the emotionally mature side and the adult is not as emotionally mature or does not pick up on social queues as easily.

I am on the spectrum as are many of my friends and some of my friends have fallen victim to people lying about their age cause they are just not equipped to handle the difference. Please do not paint such wide strokes about people.

How about people just not ERP in a 13+ adventure game? Then minors wouldn't be at risk in the first place.

[Mirhd]

RIP going down the rabbit hole again. If someone lies about their age then the adult should not be punished in the legal sense imo. Though I get many will disagree cause children lack the judgement etc . . . Though I will say this it is easy to lie about ones age especially if the child is on the emotionally mature side and the adult is not as emotionally mature or does not pick up on social queues as easily.

I am on the spectrum as are many of my friends and some of my friends have fallen victim to people lying about their age cause they are just not equipped to handle the difference. Please do not paint such wide strokes about people.

Alright, no. As someone with two autistic relatives (one significantly so, requires carers), using it as an excuse kinda pisses me off. Yes, people on the spectrum have difficulty with social norms, but that has nothing to do with this. Higher functioning autistic folk are still quite capable of realising sexting minors=bad, cause, you know... the law and all that. You claim to be on the spectrum, yet you're saying autistic folk (again, higher functioning ones that don't require carers looking after them daily) are incapable of recognizing BASIC LAW. Seriously? When in doubt, just don't. Anyone can claim anything online.

And stop victim blaming minors ffs, it's creepy and not a good look. Kids can be dumb and lack life experience - adults have the advantage there and should know better. Why the hell is this topic still going?

People can't make gil on Second Life.

How about people just not ERP in a 13+ adventure game? Then minors wouldn't be at risk in the first place.

This. Why the hell is this even up for debate? For crying out loud... GDI internet...

[Shin96]

Keep RP off Party Finder. It does not belong there. There are plenty of places people can do RP but you should reserve your better judgement and leave it to people that actually use it for its intended purpose.

As for the moral implications of doing "ERP" in a MMO with people of all ages: It's fine, but if you so happen to do it with a minor be prepared to deal with the full consequences and rightfully so. As an adult you are equally responsible to the parents in how your behaviour affects society as a whole. We do not live in a jungle, therefore everyone has an equal share of duties they have to commit to. If you so choose to be funny and acknowledge this risk all the blame will be placed upon you and neither I or anyone else for that matter is going to sympathize with you.

[Awha]

Alright, no. As someone with two autistic relatives (one significantly so, requires carers), using it as an excuse kinda pisses me off. Yes, people on the spectrum have difficulty with social norms, but that has nothing to do with this. Higher functioning autistic folk are still quite capable of realising sexting minors=bad, cause, you know... the law and all that. You claim to be on the spectrum, yet you're saying autistic folk (again, higher functioning ones that don't require carers looking after them daily) are incapable of recognizing BASIC LAW. Seriously? When in doubt, just don't. Anyone can claim anything online.

And stop victim blaming minors ffs, it's creepy and not a good look. Kids can be dumb and lack life experience - adults have the advantage there and should know better. Why the hell is this topic still going?

:P I never said what degree of functionally my friends have, and that is by in large the issue with ASD in general I get it. For the most part people only see high functioning like myself who have gone to school have degrees and a career or low functioning that always have a caregiver around all the time. This is the issue it leaves out those middle of the pack.

I have never fell victim to this cause generally I am leery of everyone. Thing is what I am saying if a person says they are a certain age, it is hard for some to to see through the signs that may be giant red flags for someone else.

While I have never ran into issues like this, I have screwed up when it comes to reading the room and signs that are normal and have found myself in trouble because of it. What I am saying age should not be a factor in the legal sense, I get it is the easiest metric but it loves leave others to fall through the cracks.

Either way if a minor lies about their lie and gets someone in trouble yeah I am going to place blame on them. Do not get me wrong I do not think those who fall pray to such things are not without fault but I do not think we should stimgize or place all the blame on the "adult" because they are of a certain age. Granted, for the most part people live their lives shut off from the actions of vile minors, but I have been around it many times. My father had to resign from his teaching position because minors lied about him doing things without any proof and none of their stories lining up but for PR sake it was just easier to take their side. I have also been pray to parents targeting me as a pedo because I tend to get along better with teenagers more so then adults and even have one try to get me in trouble at my local comic shop in the past cause I was 21 talking and having fun with kids playing warhammer. Just because their child said I did something I did not. Thankfully the owner had my back as did many of my professors and gathered funds together to potentially fight a costly legal battle.

Some are not so lucky, and just because you have family members who have ASD does not mean you fully understand the hardships they go through.

People can't make gil on Second Life.

How about people just not ERP in a 13+ adventure game? Then minors wouldn't be at risk in the first place.

Given my other posts I figured it a given that I did not mean in terms of FFXIV. Though my other post had more so to deal with general online interactions they have had with people. For some it is easy to read the signs of a kid lying about their age verse someone that is truthfully the age they say.

[Jeeqbit]

Keep RP off Party Finder. It does not belong there.

It does. People may want to use the party finder to find a party for RP and that's fine.

It's specifically advertising 18+ RP that is causing problems here.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

:P I never said what degree of functionally my friends have, and that is by in large the issue with ASD in general I get it. For the most part people only see high functioning like myself who have gone to school have degrees and a career or low functioning that always have a caregiver around all the time. This is the issue it leaves out those middle of the pack.

I have never fell victim to this cause generally I am leery of everyone. Thing is what I am saying if a person says they are a certain age, it is hard for some to to see through the signs that may be giant red flags for someone else.

While I have never ran into issues like this, I have screwed up when it comes to reading the room and signs that are normal and have found myself in trouble because of it. What I am saying age should not be a factor in the legal sense, I get it is the easiest metric but it loves leave others to fall through the cracks.



Given my other posts I figured it a given that I did not mean in terms of FFXIV. Though my other post had more so to deal with general online interactions they have had with people. For some it is easy to read the signs of a kid lying about their age verse someone that is truthfully the age they say.

So... your friends are functioning enough to have lewd conversations and simultaneously not aware enough of the fact that people lie? Actions have consequences. Damage is done even if you don't realise you are being lied too. If your friends are of an age where they can have such conversations and desires. You should know the universal rule of the internet and life. People lie. It's easy to lie online, everyone knows this. If they have not learned it now they should, you cannot know a person onlines age for certain so you best not engage in sexual conduct with them. For yourself not being duped and for the sake of a young person not being exposed to content that they are not meant to be.

Age absolutely should be a factor, I was a "mature" child in the sense I could hold conversation well with older people. I still was not ready for a 26yo man to send me a full frontal nude of himself when I was 14. He was more concerned with his own wants, much like the ERP defenders. Total apathy towards the kids they could be sexting with because they want to get off. A child can be as "mature" as you want, they literally have not mentally developed enough to properly cope with these situations properly. Your friends are adults, they have the same responsibility as any other sexually active adult. If they have not met the person and know their age for sure. Don't go anywhere near sexual conversations. Really not hard and it's not hard to understand even if they cannot get the social ques or catch a lie. THAT fact is something they should have no problem understanding if they are functioning enough to have these convos.