RP Party finders being reported AGAIN without so much as a reason.

[Vahlnir]

primal PF going from 5-10ish to over 40 RP venue ads (with some of them straight up promoting ERP) after this thread was made, I wonder why

More for the GMs to weed out is a win for everyone, though I'd be willing to bet some of those are trolling. Still report worthy though.

[Saefinn]

I believe the underlining tone of these threads fails to shed light on the obvious. I had always been an avid roleplayer on Balmung and I have slowly started to distance myself from this venue because of the type of people that has overtaken it. It has gone from a myriad of themes of adventure and character-developing roleplaying events to 90% sexually-based erotic roleplay. There used to be a magic-themed academy I was a part of on Balmung that existed since around 2014. Around 2017 I took a 4-month break from the game to come back to the academy ran roleplaying group to it being about half sexually themed oriented. I have mixed feelings on this subject. I feel that the once vibrant role-playing community was used as a shroud for sexually nuanced people to inject their form of roleplay into the community and I would love to see a roleplaying return to its roots. But sadly most of what I feel are quality roleplayers have left for new grounds. It happened in Everquest, Ultima Online, World of Warcraft, and now FF 14. Take my opinion with a grain of salt for I would love to be proven wrong and I probably am because some of the remnants of these roleplaying circles are probably private and closed off from the public because of the harassment received and we are left with only erotic roleplay as the consensus of what people perceive as roleplaying on a mmo.

As another who has been a part of the RP community in this game for a long time. A mix of things has happened over time that has affected things. With the forming of Omega as an EU server a portion of the EU RP community shifted there. With Balmung becoming intensely populated with the inability to create new characters there people ended up on other servers even transferring over to be able to RP with friends/characters who couldn't get on. Mateus ended up as an overflow server and parts of the Balmung community moved there too, though with world visits available it has helped bring the two sides of the community back together and with datacentre visits coming, it's possible we might even see some of the people who moved to an EU datacentre show up. Especially as we have an active EU friendly community still.

The ERP and adult RP reputation has grown and probably those communities have grown too and I think are more confidently open about it than they used to be. The Quicksands is mostly a hotspot for it, but I hear of people still getting good RP there, so maybe not as bad as its rep, I used to get good RP there when I used to RP there years ago, but I also hear stories of people getting creepy tells visiting there too. It's the central open world hub, so I guess you'll get every type of RPer there. Fortunately there is a secondary hub that I've yet to find to be a problem, but I've only had a few RP's there.

And because of its reputation the Quicksand also attracts troll RPers too. Fortunately they mostly keep to the Quicksands, I've only had one or two show up to anything I've run and disappeared when they got bored.

But I'd argue there is still a strong community on Balmung (and Crystal in general) that has themes of adventure and character developing. The FC I run has that focus for example. And I know people in the wider community who have the same approach. There is definitely the appeal with the game's story and its world building. Some of those people run events on the calendar Erroch mentioned/runs, heck the weekly event my FC runs is on there. These are good places to meet up with some of the types who do that kind of RP. Especially as Erroch clarified, they don't include anything that's age gated, so you're unlikely to see anything that has delved into an ERP focus.

Though, I think a part of the problem too is that people have realised you can make gil off of RP venues and from ERP.

In all honesty, the only "comedians" here at this point are the people still trying to defend this and gaslight by trying to insult people reporting this garbage as having "too much time on their hands".

In this case, WoW is a resident troll. Those who are legitimate on the other hand tend to be engaged differently. At least, I know I've tried to engage them differently, heck even changes my view somewhat from doing so. But WoW is a troll and shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Infindox]

quote on rp

You're not wrong in your opinion. (I don't rp before I continue but I am friends and aquatiences with people who are) At least on my data center there's actually quite a sizeable RP community, but they like to post things on Discord instead. So what ends up happening is you will find the brothals and the night clubs and all that advertising more becuase they are either not allowed on the main Discord or they just weren't welcome.

[erroch]

I believe the underlining tone of these threads fails to shed light on the obvious.
...

(disclaimer: I haven't had my morning tea yet so this may get a bit rambly)

I think I know the group you were talking about, I had eyes on them back around 2017 as well as a possible FC.

You're right, a lot of it's still there, just most no longer advertised on shout/party finder. Not private but not advertised in game as much. The trolling got exceptionally bad for a while. It got even worse once world visit happened, so many retreated out of game for their advertising. When you combine that with the surge of groups offering RP as a gil-paid service (often ERP service) and a number of evets in pf that are non-RP it really exasperates the appearance.

On the topic of moving on to greener pastures, in each of those and others the move on often happened when there was something better, community wise to go to. Often the core 'groups' ate themselves with drama or someone decides in a moment of self aggrandizement to try and declare and enforce enforce "this is what RP should be" or "these people are bad, no one should roleplay with them".

FFXIV's in an interesting place. There's no 'core group', there's no 'one true site' to find out about RP. It's decentralized. It's the first roleplay community I've been in that no one can actually break through mismanagement, overzealous moderation, or a desire to cause drama. The where's to find it may shift, the places to engage in the community may change, but it's there and it's thriving.

Last year there were 20% more events listed run than in 2019 (3812 vs 2974). in 2020 we had more unique events (494) than days.

Though, if you're still looking for magic centric RP over on Crystal I've got a few suggestions for you that are upcoming:
Malboro has Arcane Obscure, a magical item shop that reminded me a little bit of the roaming magic shop on Discworld on 04/05: https://xiv.page.link/mwHA
The Veil on Mateus which is a lounge that touches on a lot of Shroud Witch occult on 04/12: https://xiv.page.link/2XBM
There's also the Discarnate Arcane Auction, an underground auction house running on on 04/17: https://xiv.page.link/9KrK
There's the Aetherbound Institute on Balmung which used to be the KAPI Magic Faire (associated with the Drunk Dungeoneers group) that has it's next event on 04/25: https://xiv.page.link/g15Y

There's a lot more out there. If there's anything anyone is looking for please feel free to hunt me down in game or otherwise.

Also, please don't take all the events on the calendar prefixed as Mature [M] to mean it's an ERP event as well, the large majority of them aren't. Many of them are tavern type environments that decided to flag themselves as Mature because they serve liquor, have a good bit of profanity, beat each other up gratuitously, or just want not to have as many younger players.

[erroch]

Though, I think a part of the problem too is that people have realised you can make gil off of RP venues and from ERP.

You know... I've mentioned this to a few that a group selling services for adventure based RP for gil would make bank. There's a huge demand for people looking for adventure RP which doesn't cater well to massive RP events and they don't really have anyone that wants to 'run' a module so to speak.

A group that has a library of "modules" and you could bring a group and say "I'd like to hire a GM to run this one for my group", maybe a set up kind of like DnD's Adventurer's League... that's got a lot of potential both for gil making and providing a decently useful service to the community.

[Saefinn]

You're not wrong in your opinion. (I don't rp before I continue but I am friends and aquatiences with people who are) At least on my data center there's actually quite a sizeable RP community, but they like to post things on Discord instead. So what ends up happening is you will find the brothals and the night clubs and all that advertising more becuase they are either not allowed on the main Discord or they just weren't welcome.

That's a fair point. Most of what i see, go to and get involved with is organised and advertised through Discord. Before the Discord communities, we had RPC, which is still around but is less active that it used to be. But in my early days, I found it really useful. Maybe you don't see as many in the PF, though I've used it before on stuff I've run, but don't now that I have regulars.

You know... I've mentioned this to a few that a group selling services for adventure based RP for gil would make bank. There's a huge demand for people looking for adventure RP which doesn't cater well to massive RP events and they don't really have anyone that wants to 'run' a module so to speak.

A group that has a library of "modules" and you could bring a group and say "I'd like to hire a GM to run this one for my group", maybe a set up kind of like DnD's Adventurer's League... that's got a lot of potential both for gil making and providing a decently useful service to the community.

I did a trial run of posting 'jobs' out to my FC for single shot adventures anybody could run...but it never got off the ground, I guess nobody in my FC at the time wanted to run them, but I saw it as something useful because my FC has an EU/US split meaning our active ours are earlier for US folks and I saw it as a way to keep something interesting going when us EU folks were in bed as I was conscious our FC is dead during peak US hours. Having a directory of GM's to run stuff as you say, I guess would be the kind of thing that'd accommodate the kind of RP. There are things people would enjoy running or would like to run, but don't want to GM or lack the confidence to do so. Which is fair, because it can be a big task and you've got to be prepared to adlib and go completely off plan due to the dynamic nature of RP.

But you are right, adventure RP's are so difficult to do with a larger number of people. Especially when you throw in a battle system, which gets exponentially more time consuming the more players you add. Over the years I've done trial and error to see what's better and more efficient. We ran into this problem the most when we allowed our FC to get big. We've since opted to keeping our FC small because for the kind of community we are it makes more sense when it comes to managing it.

However, I am glad to hear it has a demand. Not that I'd try to make gil off of it as I do it for the enjoyment of it. So I am always happy to offer people pointers if they want to try running any such RP's and also how we resolved some of the problems/pitfalls we've come across, because I'd love to see that kind of RP grow more. Funnily enough I am running one tonight.

[Muutaras]

Most likely the problem is that the GM knows that the Belgamine creator of 18+ content in the game, and you are looking for a ERP in the game. Therefore the ban is reasonable.

[LaylaTsarra]

Posting that image and name will get you a forum ban. Seriously. Anyone being reprimanded and getting an account strike because of a party finder should have it clearly explained as to what they were doing wrong. There is no excuse for the GM to not specify it clearly.

I see you edited the post but be that as it may was pretty short sighted to post that image to this forum.

[Muutaras]

Whoever saw he saw, who understood, he understood. Thus, "Dalliance" was only in one sexual sense. If there was an opportunity to post a photo without any problems. But it's fun to watch when a person who is engaged in cleaning 18+ content into the game makes an innocent sheep of himself.

[Muutaras]

Posting that image and name will get you a forum ban. Seriously. Anyone being reprimanded and getting an account strike because of a party finder should have it clearly explained as to what they were doing wrong. There is no excuse for the GM to not specify it clearly.

I see you edited the post but be that as it may was pretty short sighted to post that image to this forum.

Yes, it was a temporary photo. Since knowing the rule of the forum, I was already in the bath for 7 days, for offending the poor bots with their naming xD