RP Party finders being reported AGAIN without so much as a reason.

[Kaurhz]

Because, sometimes, an 18+ event isn't just an ERP thing. Sometimes it's just that adults would rather RP with other adults for comfort, sometimes it's due to more mature (non-sexual) themes being written about they want to have taken with the proper amount of gravitas and maturity. Conflating it all as ERP is disingenuous, and hurts those groups looking for people -- I mean, FC's can recruit for 18+ and that's never been a purported issue before. If it's for a term like "dalliance" which is used in the context of the game itself, and is a word with multiple meanings, then the level of word-policing one has to do just to post a make-believe event in the game becomes outside the bounds of reasonable and will then be applied to otherwise innocent PF's just because of a technicality. And all of that compounds onto itself and hurts the communities. It also just opens the door for people with bad blood between them to harass each other by knowingly taking advantage of the way GM's operate in this game.

Sure they will, but the potentiality of these venues being outlets to potential mature content isn't appropriate, nor is the tag a suitable measure in of itself for gatekeeping. So yes, irrespective of what you may think the potentiality is there, and nor can you control the individual interactions between players which may occur and incite uncomfortable conversations between people. So yes, just don't advertise them. If you want to do it, do it in avenues whereby someone not of inappropriate age won't find it as a whim.

The level of word policing? For a term like a dalliance and a context in which this specific person used it, any reasonable individual will infer that they aren't talking about innocent jargon here, but something a little less appropriate. Besides, if we're being blunt this OP knew full well in the first place the ambiguity surrounding the term dalliance, so you can make a reasonable call they were trying to mask the true happenings of this event behind an ambiguous term. Even the OP sarcastically went on a lovely little crusade regarding this specific term. If you want to advertise, call it for what it is and don't use amibguous terms so you can just counterargue "well it's just a technicality. I didn't mean it that way"

[BunniEclair]

The problem isn’t adult talk in private and it’s not that “sexually charged” events happen it’s literally just stop using the party finder for your brothels, oh my god.

[Theodric]

It's fascinating to me how many posters are weighing in on this specific issue who have either never posted before up until now or who do so rarely. It's even more interesting that they just so happen to be on the same server cluster where this particular issue is emerging more commonly than elsewhere - which could be a coincidence, of course...but could it also potentially be a conflict of interest?

[Nayout]

It's fascinating to me how many posters are weighing in on this specific issue who have either never posted before up until now or who do so rarely. It's even more interesting that they just so happen to be on the same server cluster where this particular issue is emerging more commonly than elsewhere - which could be a coincidence, of course...but could it also potentially be a conflict of interest?

Crytal RP dramas BTW

[Alaray]

Sure they will, but the potentiality of these venues being outlets to potential mature content isn't appropriate, nor is the tag a suitable measure in of itself for gatekeeping. So yes, irrespective of what you may think the potentiality is there, and nor can you control the individual interactions between players which may occur and incite uncomfortable conversations between people. So yes, just don't advertise them. If you want to do it, do it in avenues whereby someone not of inappropriate age won't find it as a whim.

The level of word policing? For a term like a dalliance and a context in which this specific person used it, any reasonable individual will infer that they aren't talking about innocent jargon here, but something a little less appropriate. Besides, if we're being blunt this OP knew full well in the first place the ambiguity surrounding the term dalliance, so you can make a reasonable call they were trying to mask the true happenings of this event behind an ambiguous term. Even the OP sarcastically went on a lovely little crusade regarding this specific term. If you want to advertise, call it for what it is and don't use amibguous terms so you can just counterargue "well it's just a technicality. I didn't mean it that way"

If the potential is the problem, we should really just remove the ability to type in game at all with that logic. Just make everywhere just like PvP chat. Fixes everything.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

If the potential is the problem, we should really just remove the ability to type in game at all with that logic. Just make everywhere just like PvP chat. Fixes everything.

I mean, most of my communication with friends is through discord so sure, let's do that. It would certainly make the rpers look elsewhere.


Yall have to be aware that things will change if you don't stop trying to get around the system on "technicalities"

[Theodric]

If the potential is the problem, we should really just remove the ability to type in game at all with that logic. Just make everywhere just like PvP chat. Fixes everything.

I doubt such drastic measures would be required.

I don't think it is an invasive demand or expectation for adult activities to be kept out of the game altogether. If people choose to do it? Well, they may or may not get caught out. It'd be difficult for the GM's to go after every single player who indulges in such exploits, ultimately. Even so, I don't think anybody should cry foul if they do something that quite clearly toes the line of acceptability or breaches it altogether.

One might even be led to believe that false narratives between players have been spun assuring each other that such activities are acceptable even though they are clearly outlined in the terms of service as inappropriate.

[Saefinn]

Seeing these claims about the OP's venue being an ERP venue and people showing up are staff based on a Carrd found for it, then if true, the argument this thread has opened with is pretty disingenuous, because whilst I 100% agree that the GM's should have a less ambiguous approach where people know what they did wrong rather than people relying on multiple cases trying to find the common denominator and I have 0 problems with people wanting to run adult RP, if the only common denominator is that it's adult venues, then we know there's a high chance the issue is adult venues and it's disingenuous to omit this information when it's this relevant.

The events I run aren't adult themed and seeing these threads and reading things like "but I literally just stand there roleplaying mixing drinks all night twice a week, which is not exactly what I would consider degeneracy." make for more concern what else could get caught up, just as we found from cases in the very first thread like this where non-18+ RP venues were being hit too and had their actions reversed when a community rep looked into it and was 'resolved'.

However, I feel like the question should be plainly asked:
Are ALL of the venues and events being advertised and hit by GM's 18+? And I don't mean, is the advertisement 18+, but if I show up, would I expect that to be happening and being enabled by the venue?

Are there any non-18+ venues still being hit or did they stop when the community manager intervened some weeks ago? Who reversed the accounts where they were given a warning in error .

If we know the answer to these two questions, I feel we've got the common denominator on why these venues are being hit. Then the discussion can be specifically over 18+ venues and how they should be handled. If your wording of the PF advertisement is ambiguous enough that we can argue the semantics of words like "dalliance" then there is some other measure they're figuring out.

If there are people finding this is happening when the venue is not umbrella'd by the above, then we're caught in the exact issue they said was resolved.

[ZedxKayn]

Not my fault you're not educated enough to know about nonsexual kink, but go off king.

What part of "ERP as a domme" is nonsexual?

[Kaurhz]

If the potential is the problem, we should really just remove the ability to type in game at all with that logic. Just make everywhere just like PvP chat. Fixes everything.

Oh, I was waiting for the cardinal sin of hyperbole, congratulations.

But, no. You don't expect a casual conversation in the open world to take a turn for the worst into erotica or other mature material. Nor do you expect in-depth topics to occur that would otherwise be considered insensitive for the age rating. You do however expect these things to occur in mature 18+ venues. Whether or not I agree with some or most of them taking this turn, in fact, I would argue it isn't even the majority- So I'll give you benefit of the doubt here! But clearly, the trends set forth from this advertisement behaviour have to some large degree set a trend where it is ok to advertise content, irrespective of the substance of the content, and this, this is not ok. Especially when it in no uncertain examples has led to advertisements resorting to linking websites, and using ambiguous terms in order to try and justify it.