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    Seeing these claims about the OP's venue being an ERP venue and people showing up are staff based on a Carrd found for it, then if true, the argument this thread has opened with is pretty disingenuous, because whilst I 100% agree that the GM's should have a less ambiguous approach where people know what they did wrong rather than people relying on multiple cases trying to find the common denominator and I have 0 problems with people wanting to run adult RP, if the only common denominator is that it's adult venues, then we know there's a high chance the issue is adult venues and it's disingenuous to omit this information when it's this relevant.

    The events I run aren't adult themed and seeing these threads and reading things like "but I literally just stand there roleplaying mixing drinks all night twice a week, which is not exactly what I would consider degeneracy." make for more concern what else could get caught up, just as we found from cases in the very first thread like this where non-18+ RP venues were being hit too and had their actions reversed when a community rep looked into it and was 'resolved'.

    However, I feel like the question should be plainly asked:
    Are ALL of the venues and events being advertised and hit by GM's 18+? And I don't mean, is the advertisement 18+, but if I show up, would I expect that to be happening and being enabled by the venue?

    Are there any non-18+ venues still being hit or did they stop when the community manager intervened some weeks ago? Who reversed the accounts where they were given a warning in error .

    If we know the answer to these two questions, I feel we've got the common denominator on why these venues are being hit. Then the discussion can be specifically over 18+ venues and how they should be handled. If your wording of the PF advertisement is ambiguous enough that we can argue the semantics of words like "dalliance" then there is some other measure they're figuring out.

    If there are people finding this is happening when the venue is not umbrella'd by the above, then we're caught in the exact issue they said was resolved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    Seeing these claims about the OP's venue being an ERP venue and people showing up are staff based on a Carrd found for it, then if true, the argument this thread has opened with is pretty disingenuous, because whilst I 100% agree that the GM's should have a less ambiguous approach where people know what they did wrong rather than people relying on multiple cases trying to find the common denominator and I have 0 problems with people wanting to run adult RP, if the only common denominator is that it's adult venues, then we know there's a high chance the issue is adult venues and it's disingenuous to omit this information when it's this relevant.

    The events I run aren't adult themed and seeing these threads and reading things like "but I literally just stand there roleplaying mixing drinks all night twice a week, which is not exactly what I would consider degeneracy." make for more concern what else could get caught up, just as we found from cases in the very first thread like this where non-18+ RP venues were being hit too and had their actions reversed when a community rep looked into it and was 'resolved'.

    However, I feel like the question should be plainly asked:
    Are ALL of the venues and events being advertised and hit by GM's 18+? And I don't mean, is the advertisement 18+, but if I show up, would I expect that to be happening and being enabled by the venue?

    Are there any non-18+ venues still being hit or did they stop when the community manager intervened some weeks ago? Who reversed the accounts where they were given a warning in error .

    If we know the answer to these two questions, I feel we've got the common denominator on why these venues are being hit. Then the discussion can be specifically over 18+ venues and how they should be handled. If your wording of the PF advertisement is ambiguous enough that we can argue the semantics of words like "dalliance" then there is some other measure they're figuring out.

    If there are people finding this is happening when the venue is not umbrella'd by the above, then we're caught in the exact issue they said was resolved.
    A lot of the arguments made surrounding this issue are disengenuous, I'd say. When it first started happening I would give people the benefit of the doubt, but every time, ERP has been advertised. I said so in the initial thread, one user was hit for "18+ E/RP", actually quoting from that advertisement. The GMs have consistently taken action against players being reported who are advertising 18+ ERP venues. I'm positive by now it wasn't some rogue GM either, but SE simply trying to clear the PF of these adult themed ads. In the OP of this thread, for example, the GM even states to keep the age rating of the game in mind.
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