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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    Dps also deserve to be KICKED turn about is fair play. If you are dps then you are not the tank and it is not your job to take damage intended for the tank.
    Damage intended for the tank- what?

    Damage is intended for everyone, it's intended to kill... And the tank's job is to make sure the damage is redirected to them because they have the health to survive it longer and the tools to mitigate...
    Honestly? As long as they don't die, DPS and healer hp during pulls might as well be some sort of shield for the tank as well.

    If the healer or a DPS take damage during a pull and survive it, it means it's going to be less damage on the tank that the healer will have to do and therefore more time to deal damage. More time to deal damage means less to heal because the mobs will be alive to hurt the tank for a shorter time, and that also means faster pulls and therefore a faster duty. And if on top of that the DPS use Arm's Length? More mitigation, that's just great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZedxKayn View Post
    Damage intended for the tank- what?

    Damage is intended for everyone, it's intended to kill... And the tank's job is to make sure the damage is redirected to them because they have the health to survive it longer and the tools to mitigate...
    Honestly? As long as they don't die, DPS and healer hp during pulls might as well be some sort of shield for the tank as well.

    If the healer or a DPS take damage during a pull and survive it, it means it's going to be less damage on the tank that the healer will have to do and therefore more time to deal damage. More time to deal damage means less to heal because the mobs will be alive to hurt the tank for a shorter time, and that also means faster pulls and therefore a faster duty. And if on top of that the DPS use Arm's Length? More mitigation, that's just great.
    if a dps deciding to job the tanks job is ok, then its ok if I decide to dps and not heal them. Turn about is fair play..
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    if a dps deciding to job the tanks job is ok, then its ok if I decide to dps and not heal them. Turn about is fair play..
    For the nth time, the tank's job is not necessarily to PULL first, they are NOT the party's leader and they do NOT set the pace of a run alone. Their job is to GRAB and HOLD the aggro.

    Then suppose that indeed, it is the tank's job to pull, it doesn't take away from their duty as a tank to get the aggro. What you are advocating for is griefing: a DPS starting to dish damage out sooner so long as they are conscious about it and the tank's mind doesn't shatter at the thought of it, it will not harm the run at all, quite the opposite because of what I mentioned in my previous post, whereas a tank refusing to tank or a healer refusing to heal will slow the run down because they are explicitly refusing to do the critical job they queued for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    if a dps deciding to job the tanks job is ok, then its ok if I decide to dps and not heal them. Turn about is fair play..
    Your example would fit closer if you stopped healing because you saw a vercure on the RDM, as the dps going ahead of the tank doesn't conflict with you doing what you signed up for, correct?

    So now you're just being petty to others for petty's sake. Great mindset to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    if a dps deciding to job the tanks job is ok, then its ok if I decide to dps and not heal them. Turn about is fair play..
    If a dps is even capable of pulling first then the tank is already failing at their job.
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