To those that say FF14 is not a big dog in MMO's

[Starshower]

WoW still has 3-4x the total active population of this game. Must be a better game amirite.

Well, you might be wrong here! The last time the player numbers were compared they had double the playerbase of FFXIV (it was around Shadowlands release), and now they lost 41% or so of their players. It doesn't look like WoW has that many more players over FFXIV...

[Y2K21]

Now MAGICALLY out of thin air they announce their PTR for patch 9.1 exactly 2 weeks from today. Can anyone name something else that comes out exactly 2 weeks from today?l

It wasnt a random magically out of thin air thing. There was a rumor going around from a Youtuber due to "inside sources" that 9.1 wasnt coming until July/August.

So this is basically the calming of that rather than competing with 5.5

PTR is literally beta. It aint even competition.

[Theodric]

I can't bring myself to hate WoW, personally. I'm terribly disappointed with the direction it chose to go in, don't get me wrong - but I still have very fond memories of the Vanilla/TBC/WOTLK era. I was even lured into trying out the Classic experience once more and although I fell in love with that side of the game all over again - in large part due to nostalgia - it just wasn't the same without my childhood friends at my side. It's also no longer as viable to spend hours just sitting back with no care for the passage of time, chatting away about all manner of different things. Perhaps because a lot of players these days are much more shy compared to back then.

With that said, I'm on the fence with FFXIV at the moment. WoW, for all its flaws, managed to push out a character customisation overhaul. Something which has been heavily requested for FFXIV. As it stands, I'm not 100% happy with the current batch of options - I'm currently playing a Midlander, which I like...but I wish he could be taller and more muscular to suit my exact tastes.

I'm also disappointed with the lack of racial lore relevance in FFXIV. There's no starter zones unique to each playable race and some race/gender combinations have very little weight or presence within the game world itself. I think Raen men look incredible but how often do you see them as NPC's? Not very often at all!

I'm hoping that Endwalker is to my liking on various fronts. I'm cautiously optimistic at the moment. On the other hand, I'm somewhat intrigued by what Blue Protocol and Pantheon are set to offer, albeit both are a decent amount of time away from releasing.

[LittleImp]

Well, you might be wrong here! The last time the player numbers were compared they had double the playerbase of FFXIV (it was around Shadowlands release), and now they lost 41% or so of their players. It doesn't look like WoW has that many more players over FFXIV...

Shadowlands sold 3.7 million copies in one day.

This game typically has under 1 million active players at any given time, with it going as low as 650k during post-expansion content droughts. I think it peaked at around 1.3 million within the few months after shadowbringers launch.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Blizzard Entertainment betrayed North America by allowing China to dictate their business decisions. As far as I'm concerned WoW is dead along with all of Blizzard's games and products.

[Theodric]

Shadowlands sold 3.7 million copies in one day.

This game typically has under 1 million active players at any given time, with it going as low as 650k during post-expansion content droughts. I think it peaked at around 1.3 million within the few months after shadowbringers launch.

Oh, I don't doubt that it sold decently - but I also know there's very much a cycle of people buying each new expansion, playing it for a bit and then giving up until the next one comes out. I was trapped in that cycle myself until FFXIV came along simply because none of the other MMO's on the market managed to intrigue me.

With that said, FFXIV is becoming more and more successful over time but I'd argue that it's also distancing itself more and more from veteran players in favour of trying to lure in as many new subscribers as possible.

[Y2K21]

Blizzard Entertainment betrayed North America by allowing China to dictate their business decisions. As far as I'm concerned WoW is dead along with all of Blizzard's games and products.

Isnt there literally a FF15 Mobile MMORPG being made for China? Every international company bends the knee to China at some point. Blizzard just does it way too much.

[Tlachtga]

literally no one says this. especially on here.

but anything to make another "WoW bad, XIV gud" post I guess...

[Xatsh]

Alot of WoW's population now is remnants of when it had nearly 10million subs. Like all mmos games bleed subs as it ages. When you have a mmo like WoW that releases one trash expansion after another. You lose alot of subs fast. FFXI did this with the launch of abysea as well cost then 40% of their sub base in like a 6 month period.

WoW had 10million at its peak now down to probably 2.5-3million. so a 75% loss in subs. FFXIV has been around the 700k-1million mark for a while... so stagnate growth basically new players are matching those quitting.

WoW is still bigger then anyone else, but honestly I do not think they are the TOP mmo that should be copied anymore. They are only so big now because of how big they were when they were actually doing things right, takes along time for all those subs with 10s of thousands of hours invested to quit. If anything people should be looking at WoW now and saying what are they doing wrong to lose the majority of their sub base like that.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Isnt there literally a FF15 Mobile MMORPG being made for China? Every international company bends the knee to China at some point. Blizzard just does it way too much.

Bending the knee is one thing. Lying about bending the knee is another altogether. Especially when said lie also ruins others that had no connection to the issue.