Delubrum Reginae Savage groups - way too exclusive and toxic

[LaylaTsarra]

Why is this relegated to forming groups on a third party application like Discord? The folks in these discords openly discuss third party tools, the exclusivity, and its just overall toxic. Why can't a group be formed outside of third party tools? We all know, if you create a party finder, unless you post in the toxic Discord groups it wont fill. This isn't fun, or working as intended.

Nothing wrong with discord it's actually a wonderful thing to help organize content like this. It worked beautifully for BA. Sorry it's not your thing but I'm looking forward to getting into a discord clear/learning group at some point. And no one openly discussed 3rd party tools and I have 8 toons with clears both on aether and crystal for BA.

I'll agree it's not needed for Castrum or Delubrum normal but for savage I think it's the best way to go.

[Ralph2449]

Nothing wrong with discord it's actually a wonderful thing to help organize content like this.

I am guessing the OP is not referring to the use of discord as a tool to communicate which is totally fine and more about the fact that they use it to say things that would get them banned ingame such as making third party tools mandatory, linking dps meters and since it is usual for tryhards, probably speak in a manner that would get them banned if they spoke in such a way in the ingame chats.

It sounds like it is being used to avoid the ToS since the devs do not control discord therefore they can’t check it like they do the game’s chats unless they allow discord screenshots as proof for a report

[LaylaTsarra]

I am guessing the OP is not referring to the use of discord as a tool to communicate which is totally fine and more about the fact that they use it to say things that would get them banned ingame such as making third party tools mandatory, linking dps meters and since it is usual for tryhards, probably speak in a manner that would get them banned if they spoke in such a way in the ingame chats.

Wasn't used for BA. I can't speak for other venues but there was never any discussion that i could see about that or any other 3rd party tools in any of the groups I participated in. The main advantage of the BA groups was the organization and the callouts and trying to coordinate lost actions as needed. Was basically a good teaching venue for those interested in the content.

[Ralph2449]

Wasn't used for BA. I can't speak for other venues but there was never any discussion that i could see about that or any other 3rd party tools in any of the groups I participated in. The main advantage of the BA groups was the organization and the callouts and trying to coordinate lost actions as needed. Was basically a good teaching venue for those interested in the content.

I mean in that case it does sound pretty standard use of discord which you see in most games with high end group content, my assumption came from the fact that I did learn there's some form of raid assistance addon similar to WoW's dbm/bigwigs and by its mere existence I have no doubt some would start demanding it to make the raid easier (because god fobid you have to face the original intended challenge instead of trying to make it easier through any means possible) which is what has lead to WoW's highly elitist and addon heavy culture since now even the devs have to design encounters with the myriad of assistance addons in mind.

not that you care, of course. almost every one of your posts is just dripping with venom over anything to do with raiding. you saw "savage" in the title and jumped in, fangs bared and claws out, ready with another tiresome anti-raider diatribe.

The irony of your post, if you react to someone not tolerating elitists tryhards like this then it is quite clear where you lie on the subject so I wont be bothering.

[Jeeqbit]

I mean in that case it does sound pretty standard use of discord which you see in most games with high end group content, my assumption came from the fact that I did learn there's some form of raid assistance addon similar to WoW's dbm/bigwigs and by its mere existence I have no doubt some would start demanding it to make the raid easier

What happened when I used these discord servers is the the party leader for each party called out the mechanics. Nobody was asked to download anything.

Maybe there are exceptions but that was my experience.

[Tlachtga]

I am guessing the OP is not referring to the use of discord as a tool to communicate which is totally fine and more about the fact that they use it to say things that would get them banned ingame such as making third party tools mandatory, linking dps meters and since it is usual for tryhards, probably speak in a manner that would get them banned if they spoke in such a way in the ingame chats.

putting effort into a hobby. the most heinous of crimes /s

the discords are used to efficiently organise and vet players for runs. the people you're imagining have no place in most of the Delebrum discords, and the BA discords before them; basically all of these servers have zero tolerance for that kind of behaviour.

For the most part, its not hardcore elitist raiders trying to set up these servers; its generally people who don't raid and are more casual focussed. the hardcore raiders who cared got their clear in week 1 and never came back.

the resistance to these discords is usually just either stubbornness or social anxiety; its not something you can just click into in-game and join. you have to engage with other people. its out of the comfort zone for some people.

not that you care, of course. almost every one of your posts is just dripping with venom over anything to do with raiding. you saw "savage" in the title and jumped in, fangs bared and claws out, ready with another tiresome anti-raider diatribe.

its pretty interesting though, that you agree 3rd party tools (Discord in this case) are okay when they're used in a positive manner :')

[MintnHoney]

putting effort into a hobby. the most heinous of crimes

Off with their heads.


Although I do agree that necessitating outside platforms to make this all happen is a bit unwise, especially considering that this content will likely "expire" (in terms of interest) in the somewhat-near future.

[Hasrat]

Off with their heads.


Although I do agree that necessitating outside platforms to make this all happen is a bit unwise, especially considering that this content will likely "expire" (in terms of interest) in the somewhat-near future.

Tbf, they've been saying Eureka/BA would be dead since 5.0, and there remains some level of activity/interest still.

Honestly, if/when this content gets to that dying point, I'd say Bozja in general will suffer before anyone even makes it to DR, and it'll suffer far more than Eureka. CEs seem far more punishing without a sufficiently full group.

[Laphicet]

Honestly, if/when this content gets to that dying point, I'd say Bozja in general will suffer before anyone even makes it to DR, and it'll suffer far more than Eureka. CEs seem far more punishing without a sufficiently full group.

You can actually kind of see this now with the pyromancer detachment CE (Flames of War), where nobody runs it due to it giving lesser rewards (as it's one of the two half-capacity CEs). Since it's one of my favorites I always try to get people to run it when I'm in the instance, but I have always either ended up trying to solo it or end up having to leave because I'm not a tank and can't solo it. (It's theoretically possible to solo but you need an invul for the final detonation and you have no way of tracking when that detonation is due to not being able to kill the adds fast enough solo... assuming that final explosion can even be invul'd).

Bad image of what's to come, really, permanently unclearable CEs because they don't downscale enough.