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[KizuyaKatogami]

I mean Lunar Bahamut is pulled straight from FF4A which is pretty clearly a strong inspiration for Endwalker.

I think his point is they’re constantly rehashing primals over and over lol. Bahamut has been in this expansion every patch except 5.1

[GoldStarz]

I think his point is they’re constantly rehashing primals over and over lol. Bahamut has been in this expansion every patch except 5.1

I can agree the timing isn't great if they're doing all the Lunar Eidolons immediately after Eden and the new Unreal Trials, but outside of Shiva and the Titan re-fight in HW I can't really think of many times the ARR primals came back to major prominence. Also, where was Bahamut in the past 5.X patches because he wasn't in the Eden raids, so I can't think of any time he showed up.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I can agree the timing isn't great if they're doing all the Lunar Eidolons immediately after Eden and the new Unreal Trials, but outside of Shiva and the Titan re-fight in HW I can't really think of many times the ARR primals came back to major prominence. Also, where was Bahamut in the past 5.X patches because he wasn't in the Eden raids, so I can't think of any time he showed up.

5.25 bozja quest, 5.3 in seat of sacrifice, and now 5.4 as lunar bahamut. As for the arr primals, i know Garuda is the one thats shown up the most. Like 5 or 6 times. Personally im tired of the arr primals and i'd like for us to get new original things. Not just constant callbacks. This expansion has just felt like rehash all the old content expansion between bozja requiring all the old alli raids and old fate zones, unreal trials and the eden primals.

[Lauront]

Personally I am getting rather tired of the Primals. I liked the Eden concept, because some of those were really dated and needed a new lick of paint, but either focus on the other ones next time, like the ARR guys, or better yet, do something else. No more ARR Primals.

Still a bit sad they didn't find a way to shove Odin in there somewhere, since he's one of the few Primals from that era of whom we've seen very little.

[ICountFrom0]

As one of the quests will take us to the origin of Ifrit, maybe that would make thematically a more likely guess as the next unreal.

... I'd still rather see odin though.

[myahele]

Odin still has some mystery surrounding him, although the Eureka and Bozja quests does shed some light on the possible origin of Zantetsuken

[RyuDragnier]

As one of the quests will take us to the origin of Ifrit, maybe that would make thematically a more likely guess as the next unreal.

... I'd still rather see odin though.

I still think Ifrit's origins will probably end up being a Salamander auspice.

[KageTokage]

As far as the "lunar" primals go, I feel like they could be considered the final send-off for the established primals in the story as now that a cure for tempering exists, the prospect of preventing re-summonings entirely is realistic as the tempered are generally the ones who've been perpetuating their existence. That said, I don't think I'd mind having Lunar Ifrit as the final boss for Pagl'than.

I still think Ifrit's origins will probably end up being a Salamander auspice.

One of the short stories they released for Shadowbringers suggests that Ifrit may have actually originated as a creation of the Ancients and likely some of the other primals as well, considering that there's a Bismark on both the Source and the First which implies whatever being originally bore the name may have existed pre-Sundering.

[Cilia]

I still think Ifrit's origins will probably end up being a Salamander auspice.

One of the Tales from the Shadows short stories (Ere Our Curtain Falls) suggests that Ifrit's origins tie back to Ifrita, a concept created by Lahabrea pre-Sundering that Azem used to collect and dissipate gathering fire aether so as to prevent a volcanic eruption.

As the auspices trace their origins back to the Chinese Zodiac, a salamander auspice seems... unlikely. These all come up during Heavensturn, but for those who don't know the Chinese Zodiac signs are:

• Rat
• Ox
• Tiger
• Rabbit
• Dragon
• Snake
• Horse
• Sheep
• Monkey
• Rooster
• Dog
• Pig

[KizuyaKatogami]

As far as the "lunar" primals go, I feel like they could be considered the final send-off for the established primals in the story as now that a cure for tempering exists, the prospect of preventing re-summonings entirely is realistic as the tempered are generally the ones who've been perpetuating their existence. That said, I don't think I'd mind having Lunar Ifrit as the final boss for Pagl'than.

Wasn’t that already unreal trials though? How many more times do we need to see the same primals over and over. It’s stale now and there’s a lot of other elemental “summons” they could use from previous ff games if they so desire.