Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

found the dancer

Suddenly it just got real good here...

[Ralph2449]

No one was complaining that they weren't "playing well", they were complaining that they were asked to hit a button to help the party out in general to complete their goal

They were demanding something that was neither needed nor required to beat the encounter, in sort they demanded that this person follow their inflated standards so they can get to roflstomp the content because god forbid doing things normally, dont try to twist it to something that it isnt.

The fact that the person told them to STOP talking to them suggests they were quite annoyed and possibly overwhelmed due to the situation but of course the bright gamers TM arent rly capable of understanding basic pug situations like these and default to "Omg that is literally the worst players ever" and that attitude only makes people more defensive.

and they acted like it was a big deal

Cuz everyone playing MUST know everything you do, god forbid someone is new or clueless about a job for a number of possible reasons, no in order to tell yourself you are the victim and justify your attacks to that individual you gotta believe they were PRETENDING as if they didnt know.

but the dancer was being deliberately definant

Assuming you mean defiant, it is a good thing they pushed back the tryhard's attempts to control them because that attitude shouldnt be tolerated, ESPECIALLY in content where even dead dps dont matter much.

Let me give an example of what I see, let's say we have a box with 40 holes shaped differently, and you have 8 humans of varying ages and dexterity putting the right shapes to the right hole, based on the math it would be 5 objects for each person.

Now the tryhard elitist is the person who is going to finish his 5 pieces on this literally baby level """"puzzle"""" and then complaint that the baby or a slower person are a problem which also coincidentally implies that doing such a task fast is some great skill and achievement, which it isnt.

Now the healthy person would either wait or assist the slower group members because that person knows this is a video game DESIGNED TO BE WON and not their singular source of self worth.

[Zeich]

With your example, the Dancer mentioned is the person who refuses to put an obviously square block into an obviously square hole, saying it doesn't fit, and then refusing to put any blocks in a hole at all for the rest of the test. Also you like saying "inflated standards" like "push one button" is an incredibly difficult task. There's also been no aggression here, simply a request or an explanation of what could be better, but you decide to frame that as "demanding."

Really, are you sure you're not the dancer? Because you're very defensive over a relatively tame topic.

[Ralph2449]

Trying not to laugh at the "I like my own posts so that it looks like someone supports me."

Indeed, after all it must be impossible for someone to agree, you and your buddies find what I say absurd, there's no way someone could ever agree with me.

Which is yet another sign of what I said about unhealthy behaviors, the inability to even mentally accept ideas that go against your core beliefs that sustain one's ego has been quite a common thing in this species so no, I am not surprised or disappointed as this is to be expected.

As for the dancer refusing to press the button you want equaling "doing literally nothing" that is just another exaggerated generalization to add to the list of many tryhards use on people who dont follow their inflated "standards".

Though come to think of it, if some people are underperforming this much I would assume tryhards would relish at the sight of an increased challenge which that poses, alas the truth is you never cared about actual challenge, you just want to get an easy roflstomp win to help with your self esteem issues.

[Zeich]

Indeed, after all it must be impossible for someone to agree, you and your buddies find what I say absurd, there's no way someone could ever agree with me.

Which is yet another sign of what I said about unhealthy behaviors, the inability to even mentally accept ideas that go against your core beliefs that sustain one's ego has been quite a common thing in this species so no, I am not surprised or disappointed as this is to be expected.

As for the dancer refusing to press the button you want equaling "doing literally nothing" that is just another exaggerated generalization to add to the list of many tryhards use on people who dont follow their inflated "standards".

Though come to think of it, if some people are underperforming this much I would assume tryhards would relish at the sight of an increased challenge which that poses, alas the truth is you never cared about actual challenge, you just want to get an easy roflstomp win to help with your self esteem issues.

More projection! You may want to consider that you are the one with unhealthy behaviors, considering that you are absolutely attached to the word "tryhard" as if putting an effort forth is some sort of degenerative mental disease. You also seem to struggle to accept ideas that go against your own core beliefs for the sake of your own ego - boy oh boy, do you seem to have a habit of describing yourself while trying to tear down others!

You also state that the dancer refusing to press the button is "doing literally nothing." Fun fact - pushing a button here is a binary; you do or you don't! So technically, yes, this is correct that in this instance they are doing nothing. Also you're creating more generalizations yourself with the whole "tryhards" thing again. Really, you should stop while you're ahead, you keep stepping on your own toes!

Edit: Before this goes any further and we end up derailing this thread massively, feel free to create a thread about tryhards so we can respond in an appropriate venue rather than cluttering this thread!

[Ralph2449]

More projection! You may want to consider that you are the one with unhealthy behaviors

Not the one who goes around getting offended people dont follow my tryhard standards and start berating people because I am completely incapable to understand the situation of another person and get annoyed they dont do what I want(God forbid they deny your superior elite knowledge am i right?), in a situation in which that person's actions dont really matter either way to me because I would beat the encounter anyway.

The issue is simple, people like you could have stayed silent and done the easy roulette encounter just fine, instead you were annoyed enough to cause a stir, and that says everything.

I actually dislike the fact that me of all people would need to use the word empathy but damn elitists really have been blinded by their ego to the point they are completely unable to see anything about other players other than ways to further delude themselves they achieved something great by putting the right shape to the right hole faster, which is why you seem to be so incapable of dealing with new and inexperienced player without that attitude and keep making generalizations about how terribad they must be.

Fun fact - pushing a button here is a binary; you do or you don't! So technically

So I am guessing you failed to grasp the multiple times I mentioned "reality" and how it seems to be quite against your very simple generalizations of "bad players"

You implied that by not pressing that dance partner button, in the context of my example the dancer was "refusing to put any blocks in a hole at all for the rest of the test", while in reality that did not happen, that person continued playing THEIR WAY(Which you clearly are annoyed by) in the fights which whenever you like it or not counts are "TRYING" and giving a small amount of dps, which is the furthest thing from "refusing to do anything for the rest of the time"

But hey, I am not gonna play "technically" games or argue about definitions when I ve stated multiple times I care about reality, not whatever you imagine that evil inexperienced person to be.

[TheMightyMollusk]

[Reinha]

Person was clearly new and having tryhards try to command you and tell you what to do with their typical elitist attitude of course make them feel defensive, and might I remind you that they are most likely still learning, which many choose to learn via getting into actual content rather than spend hours tryharding on a dummy which will never be a realistic scenario, I will always support people getting real experience from roulette

If someone is offered an easy way to improve and they don't take it, that person is not "still learning". That person is choosing not to learn. Picking a dance partner takes 2 seconds. You don't get to use learning as an excuse for someone when they choose to do worse than they could be doing. So they are also not "choosing to learn via getting into actual content", they are choosing to be a nuisance to other players in actual content. Why on earth wouldn't other players be annoyed at that?

I love helping new and returning players but the occasional bad attitude like yours really sucks the fun out of roulettes.

[Ralph2449]

If someone is offered an easy way to improve and they don't take it, that person is not "still learning"

A bad teacher would blame the student for not learning, a smart teacher understands behavior well enough to know how to behave, talk and judge situations and approach individuals, things clearly missing from the person that got annoyed someone didnt use dance partner IN A ROULETTE and got offended their superior elite knowledge wasnt appreciated which says they really need some introspection but that's another story.

Again the issue is simple, people like them could have stayed silent and done the easy roulette encounter just fine, instead you were annoyed enough to cause a stir, and that says everything.

Snip

Ah coming from WoW, explains the normalized tryhard beliefs.

Though if you would like to know it should be quite obvious, I am playing the furry race uwu so of course I am the same person, I moved to the better game that doesnt treat casuals like 4th class citizens or abandons everything to focus on high end.

And because I like to keep it that way, if I see signs of elitism I wont be silent!

[Seera1024]

The dancer and her bf tank were in the wrong.

Players should be expected to do basic stuff in roulettes, especially when asked politely. I highly doubt dance partner is something that the dancer just learned. It wasn't wrong of party members to ask the dancer to pick a dance partner. And then attempt to kick the dancer when it was clear that they weren't pulling their weight and being argumentative about it.

The bf tank should not have gone off the handles when his gf was almost kicked from the group. He's enabling the bad behavior (the refusal to do simple things when asked and not improving).

If there's some reason why the dancer can't do better (ie: some real life disability), then the pair needs to look into finding a group of friends who are aware of the issues who are willing to run through the content with them to avoid issues like that.

But if you go into roulette, you should be expected to do basic mechanics of the job/class and of the dugeon/trial/raid.