Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Ralph2449]

how damage doesn't matter, how it's just a game.

Well yeah, it is, some of us arent offended that some people clearly have yet to learn their jobs to the point of whining about it, IN ROULETTES no less lmao.

Reminding everyone of what I said before, the inflated standards keep spreading to even lower and lower end content and I am thankful some people still have the sense opposed people like you publicly for thinking the game is a job and everyone should have your standards, in ROULETTES, next there ll be people whining about people not being optimal in praetorium...

[Zeich]

Well yeah, it is, some of us arent offended that some people clearly have yet to learn their jobs to the point of whining about it, IN ROULETTES no less lmao.

Reminding everyone of what I said before, the inflated standards keep spreading to even lower and lower end content and I am thankful some people still have the sense opposed people like you publicly for thinking the game is a job and everyone should have your standards, in ROULETTES, next there ll be people whining about people not being optimal in praetorium...

I'm sorry, but what? No one is asking people to make it a job. No one is saying "hey, if you don't perform at 100% every single second, you get kicked." But asking a person to do their BASIC JOB MECHANICS is far from calling it a job! A Dancer not using their Closed Position at 60+ is a Dancer who is missing out on extra damage for their partner (Standard Step and Devilment), a potential boost to support in crunch situations (Curing Waltz), and Espirit for their own boosts at 76+ (Saber Dance).

Plus, damage is a very large portion of the game. It speeds up runs and, depending on the content, could be the difference between a success or a wipe. Enrages or even just attrition can create wipes that sufficient damage can allow us to avoid. While I certainly will not chafe at an extra 5-10 minutes added onto a run during roulettes where someone is learning to improve, by choosing to perform at a very low play level you end up taking up the time of 3+ other players. Note that I say choosing to play at a low level for a reason: some people are new, some people are trying a different job, some people are rusty from coming back. All good! But when others offer you advice (and I'm not talking the "get better or get kicked" sort of brash attitude) or give a simple request like "pick a dance partner" for DNC and then they just ignore it, they are deciding to choose sub-standard play and at that point, they're purposefully impacting others with your decision. That is where I'd get frustrated in a roulette. Especially at max level - if you're figuring out how to use your capstone ability as a fresh 80, good on you, but you should at least know the basics of how your job works for the rest of it!

A roulette is not an excuse to perform poorly. Inexperience or rust, sure! If you're willing to improve over time, then I'm willing to work with you. But to claim advice or suggestions for basic job mechanics as "forcing optimal play" is really just saying "I don't want to do any work or press more than two buttons."

[Ralph2449]

No one is saying "hey, if you don't perform at 100% every single second, you get kicked."

No they are demanding "follow our inflated standards for content that doesnt not require it", said inflated standards which keep spreading in lower and lower end content because GOD FORBID you dont get to speedrun things

Reality check, their dance partner isnt needed for the success of the group in a roulette of all things, the group often has more than a few above average players who are more than capable of carrying such lack of dps, worst case scenario if there's fewer overperformers you might have to do the encounter right instead of roflstomping it and skipping phases which I know for western gamers TM is literally the worst thing to ever happen to them.

Person was clearly new and having tryhards try to command you and tell you what to do with their typical elitist attitude of course make them feel defensive, and might I remind you that they are most likely still learning, which many choose to learn via getting into actual content rather than spend hours tryharding on a dummy which will never be a realistic scenario, I will always support people getting real experience from roulette

And let's even just say that this person doesnt care about improving which isnt as likely as many people in this thread LOVE to believe, even in this case it literally doesnt matter cuz that is literally a single dps, even if they were afk the entire run you would still clear, but no you just gotta get offended not everyone is tryharding.

damage is a very large portion of the game. It speeds up runs and, depending on the content, could be the difference between a success or a wipe

Because god forbid you ever have to do the encounter correctly right, gotta rush it because time is money or something

"I don't want to do any work or press more than two buttons.

Ah yes, the typical exaggeration of "they must be the worst most low skilled person ever", "they must be ultra lazy", "they must want to get carried", reality sadly is often very different than those demeaning generalizations tryhards throw towards anyone not doing what they demand, if anything it shows how psychologically unhealthy people like that are that they get so bothered over how other people play and how they just love to imply how these people who dont perform are literally the worst players to ever exist, nothing to do with self esteem issues and trying to push down others to feel superior yourself I am sure.

I actually like when dancers choose fellow dancers or lower dps as dance partners because it seems to make tryhards foam for some reason, god forbid someone gets outside of your "acceptable" way of playing xD

The fact that people like you get OFFENDED so much by someone not playing well to the point of publicly whining says a lot more about you than the person who didnt know how to play yet, that person I have no issue either carrying or helping or let be, the person who believes they can tell others what to do in a VIDEO GAME PUG though, that is a person that shouldnt be tolerated.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Expecting basic job mechanics is toxic now? Mechanics that are taught and emphasized in the very first job quest?

[BlastHardcheese]

It's a button you literally press once that automatically makes the run go quicker... where's the defense for not pressing it?

I mean yeah, don't be a toxic person when asking but it's hardly elitist to expect a Dancer to use the core function of its job at level 80.

[Zeich]

No they are demanding "follow our inflated standards for content that doesnt not require it", said inflated standards which keep spreading in lower and lower end content because GOD FORBID you dont get to speedrun things

Did I say anything about speedrunning? Nope. No I didn't. I in fact stated the opposite - if you are learning, new, or inexperienced, I'm totally cool taking extra time as long as you're willing to learn and improve. Also this is Copied Factory - this isn't exactly expecting you to speedrun your first Sastasha. You have to have gotten through most of the game to get to this point. Are there folks who are overly hardcore? Sure. But I see those so rarely that it's ridiculous to assume it as a general standard.

Reality check, their dance partner isnt needed for the success of the group in a roulette of all things, the group often has more than a few above average players who are more than capable of carrying such lack of dps, worst case scenario if there's fewer overperformers you might have to do the encounter right instead of roflstomping it and skipping phases which I know for western gamers TM is literally the worst thing to ever happen to them.

Closed Position is literally a single button. One. Button. You don't even have to press it repeatedly, just once and forget at the start of the run! If they can't press Closed Position, then how can you expect they're going to do their Standard/Technical Step? How can you expect they're going to use their Fan Dance abilities or even a combo beyond just hitting the 1 button? It's not like they're being asked to do a perfect opener or maintain a constant 100% uptime - they're asked to press a single button to improve their performance enormously, and just once.

Also I love the double standard you're setting up - "there will be good players who can carry the bad players." So you're now placing an expectation on the other players to be good to make up for those who aren't, meaning that you're creating an inflated expectation yourself. You're expecting others to work hard so others don't, and you even use the phrase "carrying them," indicating that this person shouldn't have to do work because others can. So you can expect others to do the hard work because they're willing to try, but you can't expect others to give basic effort? Nah, man, that's not how it works.

Person was clearly new and having tryhards try to command you and tell you what to do with their typical elitist attitude of course make them feel defensive, and might I remind you that they are most likely still learning, which many choose to learn via getting into actual content rather than spend hours tryharding on a dummy which will never be a realistic scenario, I will always support people getting real experience from roulette.

New. At level 80. 20 levels after you should have learned Closed Position. Uh-huh. And who said anything about "commanding"? They requested that the person press a single button. A. Single. Button. My god, the effort involved! Certainly that herculean task is beyond the newest of players, and we should pity them, for they know not what their basic job mechanics are at capped level! Yes, I am getting a little miffed here, if you can't tell.

I certainly am not opposed to a person learning and getting experience. But when you jump into nearly endgame content - anything at level 80 that isn't a story MSQ is most certainly "endgame content," especially with how unforgiving an at-level Alliance Raid can be at some points - and cannot perform your BASIC JOB MECHANICS then you probably need to start with training wheels elsewhere. While I keep bringing up this particular instance, asking a DNC to put up Closed Position - and again ONCE at the start of an instance and then forgetting about it, even death doesn't remove it! - is like asking the main tank to use their tank stance, or the healer to do more than spam Cure 1.

And let's even just say that this person doesnt care about improving which isnt as likely as many people in this thread LOVE to believe, even in this case it literally doesnt matter cuz that is literally a single dps, even if they were afk the entire run you would still clear, but no you just gotta get offended not everyone is tryharding.

So in other words, everyone else has to work because someone doesn't want to? Also you love using the phrase of "tryharding" when people are expecting a very basic level of competence. When you play an MMO, you're playing with other people. Being considerate of their time and effort is a basic courtesy, and that goes both ways. One should always be willing to spend at least a bare modicum of effort, but one should also not be expected to perform at bleeding edge unless you're in the most brutal of content. This falls under the first category, where the person isn't even willing to try. And if you're going to defend someone leeching - and yes, if they are not willing to improve or do the basics, they are purely a leech and abusing everyone else's time - then you really have no leg to stand on in this argument.

Ah yes, the typical exaggeration of "they must be the worst most low skilled person ever", "they must be ultra lazy", "they must want to get carried", reality sadly is often very different than those demeaning generalizations tryhards throw towards anyone not doing what they demand, if anything it shows how psychologically unhealthy people like that are that they get so bothered over how other people play and how they just love to imply how these people who dont perform are literally the worst players to ever exist, nothing to do with self esteem issues and trying to push down others to feel superior yourself I am sure.

I actually like when dancers choose fellow dancers or lower dps as dance partners because it seems to make tryhards foam for some reason, god forbid someone gets outside of your "acceptable" way of playing xD

And there's the word "tryhards" again. Another demeaning remark towards those who actually want to make an effort to improve themselves - you seem to do a lot of projecting with those statements about "demeaning" remarks, given I've been rather polite this entire time and suggested a low baseline, rather than ever once stating that I'm offended or expect cutting-edge effort. You also seem to be the one assuming that I'm calling a person trash, lazy, or "the worst of players." Really, you're the one making these elitist remarks, so for the sake of those you are attempting to champion, please refrain from insulting them further! It's really rather rude, y'know.

The fact that people like you get OFFENDED so much by someone not playing well to the point of publicly whining says a lot more about you than the person who didnt know how to play yet, that person I have no issue either carrying or helping or let be, the person who believes they can tell others what to do in a VIDEO GAME PUG though, that is a person that shouldnt be tolerated.

So A) not offended. You're really projecting a lot of anger and frustration that doesn't exist, do you want to talk? And B) aren't you telling us what to do as well? You're the one saying "ACCEPT THEIR LOW-EFFORT PLAY OR ELSE YOU'RE A BIG BAD ELITIST." You're really good at being a hypocrite and really bad at providing a logical, non-emotional argument.

[Ralph2449]

It's a button you literally press once that automatically makes the run go quicker... where's the defense for not pressing it?

When that clearly new and inexperienced to the job person somehow finds their way into your ultimate group, feel free to whine about it, not in content where even in the case of multiple dead dps you ll still easily beat it.

Also what's up with people and their obsession of "GO QUICKER", will the world end if you have to do mechanics normally? Will your entire life collapse if you have to deal with a small degree of personal challenge instead of roflstomp it? Would you suffer a heart attack if you wipe and all these being in a pug.

Oh tell me what great harm will befall you if something as terribly disastrous happens like having to do an encounter normally without roflstomping it.

Honestly, that attitude is exactly why people are fed up with tryhards who go around trying to tell others what to do and it is a good thing more people here actually are fighting against such mentalities.

[SnowVix]

When that clearly new and inexperienced to the job person somehow finds their way into your ultimate group, feel free to whine about it, not in content where even in the case of multiple dead dps you ll still easily beat it.

Also what's up with people and their obsession of "GO QUICKER", will the world end if you have to do mechanics normally? Will your entire life collapse if you have to deal with a small degree of personal challenge instead of roflstomp it? Would you suffer a heart attack if you wipe and all these being in a pug.

Oh tell me what great harm will befall you if something as terribly disastrous happens like having to do an encounter normally without roflstomping it.

Honestly, that attitude is exactly why people are fed up with tryhards who go around trying to tell others what to do and it is a good thing more people here actually are fighting against such mentalities.

found the dancer

[Ralph2449]

found the dancer

Eww no, I never touch support oriented classes from tanks to healers to heavy support based dps jobs found in this game.

I am crystal pure dps uwu

[Infindox]

The fact that people like you get OFFENDED so much by someone not playing well to the point of publicly whining says a lot more about you than the person who didnt know how to play yet, that person I have no issue either carrying or helping or let be, the person who believes they can tell others what to do in a VIDEO GAME PUG though, that is a person that shouldnt be tolerated.

I'm not sure you understand what the other person was getting at. No one was complaining that they weren't "playing well", they were complaining that they were asked to hit a button to help the party out in general to complete their goal, and they acted like it was a big deal. I don't mind when people need help during content or need a refresher becuase they took an extended break, but the dancer was being deliberately definant, and then they decide to harass everyone else which can affect how others play. When you start doing that, you are being the problem.