Major changes needed for housing

[Kaurhz]

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I can in some respects see it being an issue, but hence the multiple factor payment. Gil, you can get quite comfortably even through levequests.. Equally giving people an option to pay via Grand Company seals allows for people to build these up naturally through the course of their play. I wouldn't exactly be proposing exorbitant amounts, but across the course of a month, a 50-100K Grand Company Seals payout per month (Which is perfectly reasonable) alone would nigh on be impractical for people with a significant amount of personal houses spread across multiple characters. 50K GC Seals per month across an entire subdivision equates to 1.5M company seals; enjoy doing that monthly if you feel you need 30 houses, you'd have a harsh time with this if you're going the personal house route. So I feel the option to pay with Gil, or to pay with Seals should be allowed. With respect to Gil, if you even have a Culinarian leveled up to 80 then per day you can make approximately 108,000 Gil per day.

If your FC is in a state where collectively across the cohort you cannot meet enough to pay the costs in Company (FC) seals then you probably shouldn't have an FC plot in the first place to be quite frank, especially when the minimum requirement specified for getting a plot in the first place is 4 members.

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As above, it addresses the first section of your quote. The issue wouldn't be as much the initial upkeep/maintenance cost for it, but keeping it up on the other hand is a different issue entirely. Again, a Level 80 crafter per day can make 108,000Gil per day within 10 minutes (18K Gil per allowance). For someone with a significant number of houses keeping up the pace would be nigh on untenable. Besides, for those that even remotely use their house, then you will find gardening will offset the costs. If you're proactively using the houses or the benefits it provides then it should be a nonissue. But if you're ​sat on several houses and being greedy about the matter, then once again it quickly becomes impractical to sustain a large volume of houses to yourself, as it should be.

I can't believe I'm having to define this but ok. Negligence would be defined in this specific context as having a house yet not doing anything with it, at all to even justify the need for having the house in the first place. Though maybe negligence in this specific case may not be the most appropriate word, but that's just playing semantics.

For someone on several houses, the outlined methods would make it largely impractical for most people to sustain it if they're being greedy about how many houses they own.

[Awha]

I can in some respects see it being an issue, but hence the multiple factor payment. Gil, you can get quite comfortably even through levequests.. Equally giving people an option to pay via Grand Company seals allows for people to build these up naturally through the course of their play. I wouldn't exactly be proposing exorbitant amounts, but across the course of a month, a 50-100K Grand Company Seals payout per month (Which is perfectly reasonable) alone would nigh on massacres people with a significant amount of personal houses spread across multiple characters. 50K GC Seals per month across an entire ward equates to 1.5M company seals, you'd have a harsh time with this if you're going the personal house route. So I feel the option to pay with Gil, or to pay with Seals should be allowed. With respect to Gil, if you even have a Culinarian levelled up to 80 then per day you can make approximately 108,000 Gil per day.

If your FC is in a state where collectively across the cohort you cannot meet enough to pay the costs in Company (FC) seals then you probably shouldn't have an FC plot in the first place to be quite frank, especially when the minimum requirement specified for getting a plot in the first place is 4 members.



As above, it addresses the first section of your quote. The issue wouldn't be as much the initial upkeep/maintenance cost for it, but keeping it up on the other hand is a different issue entirely. Again, a Level 80 crafter per day can make 108,000Gil per day within 10 minutes (18K Gil per allowance). For someone with a significant number of houses keeping up the pace would be nigh on untenable. Besides, for those that even remotely use their house, then you will find gardening will offset the costs. If you're proactively using the houses or the benefits it provides then it should be a nonissue. But if you're ​sat on several houses and being greedy about the matter, then once again it quickly becomes impractical to sustain a large volume of houses to yourself, as it should be.

I can't believe I'm having to define this but ok. Negligence would be defined in this specific context as having a house yet not doing anything with it, at all to even justify the need for having the house in the first place.

For someone on several houses, the outlined methods would make it largely impractical for most people to sustain it if they're being greedy about how many houses they own.

Though that is the thing your system would negatively impact the smaller FC that may not play the game daily. They have dond nothing wrong yet your suggestion throws them under the bus to try and get back at those with many plots. See woefully unfair. Trying to retroactively fix the housing situation since in the grand scheme I am sure shell FC owners are in the vast minority and harkens back to the pop chat removal in feast. They took the scorched Earth approach to battle toxic behavior and it legit did not change much those who want to be toxic are still toxic just makes it harder for those legit players who were not toxic.

Right now all these suggestions amount to using a bandaid to stop the bleeding from a hole in ones gut. Sure it is an effort and sure they got the right idea to try and stop the bleeding but yeah it does not do much in the grand scheme.

What I am saying is negligence for some would be not having decorated plot. That line is impossible to draw that would please everyone. These threads pop up because people are trying to find some tangible reason as to why they do not have a house. Since going based off SE is unwilling or unable to put in the time and money required to improve the system. Far easier to just poke at the people that have multiple plots and paint them as the overall villains in their narrative.

By in large I think you are vastly underestimating how much gil many of the multi plot owners actually have. Sure if it was solely a grand company cost then maybe that would cause a problem but if gil is an option then it would barely phase most multi plot owners I think.

Sadly, we still suffer the exploits of the new housing system that happened at the beginning to the random click event that is now housing.
If anyone remembers, there was a way for people to buy multiple houses due to an unchecked vulnerability.
Those houses that were snatched up by the same multiple FCs still exist under their name to this day.

Everything will be grandfathered in when systems change like it or not.



I think you are at the extreme end when it comes to . . . house buying enthusiasts.
Also, wth.

I think it is safe to say that many of us who own multiple plots through FC's are in the minority, and would be willing to go through such lengths to keep their plots.

Also yeah that multi box life was fun in WoW.

[Kaurhz]

What I am saying is negligence for some would be not having decorated plot. That line is impossible to draw that would please everyone. These threads pop up because people are trying to find some tangible reason as to why they do not have a house. Since going based off SE is unwilling or unable to put in the time and money required to improve the system. Far easier to just poke at the people that have multiple plots and paint them as the overall villains in their narrative.

Though that is the thing your system would negatively impact the smaller FC that may not play the game daily. They have dond nothing wrong yet your suggestion throws them under the bus to try and get back at those with many plots. See woefully unfair. Trying to retroactively fix the housing situation since in the grand scheme I am sure shell FC owners are in the vast minority and harkens back to the pop chat removal in feast. They took the scorched Earth approach to battle toxic behavior and it legit did not change much those who want to be toxic are still toxic just makes it harder for those legit players who were not toxic.

Right now all these suggestions amount to using a bandaid to stop the bleeding from a hole in ones gut. Sure it is an effort and sure they got the right idea to try and stop the bleeding but yeah it does not do much in the grand scheme.

You underestimate just how easy and natural it is to get Company Credits even playing infrequently and just doing routine activities like roulettes, and questing. The challenge isn't with how difficult it is, but rather how impractical it is for someone with 30 houses to sustain this across the course of a month and all subsequent months without it taking significant time out of their gameplay on their main character or tole on them in the long run. How practical or impractical it is for smaller and less active FCs is entirely deterministic on how steep this cost would be.

What is woefully unfair is trying to justify the use of having several houses to yourself via either being grandfathered in or circumventing their restrictions for purchasing housing by having several accounts, when housing is as it stands already completely scarce on most servers.

Again, just overall failure to give it proper care, attention, or use, be it through proactively doing workshops, gardening, or through decoration as a private space. There's nothing worse than someone that has a house that by any definition of the term is not utilized whatsoever. People don't have a house for a combination of issues, be it lack of availability in genuine circumstances, or not having sufficient Gil to be able to purchase the house in the first place, or their desired plot being unavailable. Equally, people having multiple houses only exacerbates these issues much further, so it is expected that people with multiple houses will be painted as villains.

[Awha]

You underestimate just how easy and natural it is to get Company Credits even playing infrequently and just doing routine activities like roulettes, and questing. The challenge isn't with how difficult it is, but rather how impractical it is for someone with 30 houses to sustain this across the course of a month and all subsequent months without it taking significant time out of their gameplay on their main character or tole on them in the long run. How practical or impractical it is for smaller and less active FCs is entirely deterministic on how steep this cost would be.

What is woefully unfair is trying to justify the use of having several houses to yourself via either being grandfathered in or circumventing their restrictions for purchasing housing by having several accounts, when housing is as it stands already completely scarce on most servers.

Again, just overall failure to give it proper care, attention, or use, be it through proactively doing workshops, gardening, or through decoration as a private space. There's nothing worse than someone that has a house that by any definition of the term is not utilized whatsoever. People don't have a house for a combination of issues, be it lack of availability in genuine circumstances, or not having sufficient Gil to be able to purchase the house in the first place, or their desired plot being unavailable. Equally, people having multiple houses only exacerbates these issues much further, so it is expected that people with multiple houses will be painted as villains.

Still that is pigeon holding FC's to certain tasks they may not get enjoyment out of just to maintain their FC house cause we have to punish those that would probably barely free up 1% of total available plots.

Also the restriction put in place by SE were lifted by them they just never updated the rules. No tricks or exploits are required to amass multiple FC plots. Trust me I get the idea behind getting plots away from people with many plots but as someone who use to play feast for hour prior to the change regarding chat I am leery of pushing forward any system that makes it harder for legit smaller FC's or pigeon hold them into a certain amount of in game tasks that would allow them to keep their FC instead of just letting them play the content they want.

Bandaid fixes are nice in terms of providing a feel good response to the player base but what we really need is a more tangible fix.

Personally I would give up all my plots if they tied WC to Grand companies and if they allow plots to have more gardening plots no matter the size. Since I mainly have more then one plot for mass crossbreeding and and voyages. Know it does not solve the core of this issue but at least it does not pass the buck to the average smaller FC just to punish a minority of the player base.q

[Kaurhz]

Still that is pigeon holding FC's to certain tasks they may not get enjoyment out of just to maintain their FC house cause we have to punish those that would probably barely free up 1% of total available plots.

Also the restriction put in place by SE were lifted by them they just never updated the rules. No tricks or exploits are required to amass multiple FC plots. Trust me I get the idea behind getting plots away from people with many plots but as someone who use to play feast for hour prior to the change regarding chat I am leery of pushing forward any system that makes it harder for legit smaller FC's or pigeon hold them into a certain amount of in game tasks that would allow them to keep their FC instead of just letting them play the content they want.

Bandaid fixes are nice in terms of providing a feel good response to the player base but what we really need is a more tangible fix.

Personally I would give up all my plots if they tied WC to Grand companies and if they allow plots to have more gardening plots no matter the size. Since I mainly have more then one plot for mass crossbreeding and and voyages. Know it does not solve the core of this issue but at least it does not pass the buck to the average smaller FC just to punish a minority of the player base.q

No, it's just tying an upkeep system to something that is intrinsic to the game. You do dungeons, you roll or pass on loot and you submit it to Grand Company. Practically any given activity you do in this game awards FC credits. "Probably", doesn't matter whether it's probably or indefinite there's hardly a justifiable reason in which you require more than the standard 1FC house and 1 personal plot, barring the need to be greedy about the matter.

It's not an exploit or a trick; as much as it is someone is just simply circumventing the limitations imposed on the housing system in order to acquire more plots for themselves and in the instance of certain individuals for no reason other than for the sake of it. Attach whatever word to this statement you like. The limitation is imposed for a reason, and that reason is they don't want individuals monopolizing the housing system, or marketing them off.

If you ask me their 'bandaid' has caused as many issues as what it has solved. That being said, frankly, if I had the choice of the matter then people would not have been grandfathered in. I'd have given them a 14-day warning that additional houses tied to their service account would be up for demolishing with costs incurred to purchase the plots reimbursed in full, but that's just me.