Aurum Vale gripes

[MilkieTea]

Considering AV is a smooth 15 minute run done right with the Squadron, including killing all mobs and letting all seedlings spawn for max exp, it's definitely a player issue. People just refuse to coordinate or often even play the basics of their class and expect the easy clear handed to them. It should be nice step up that could prep you for even harder content to come. I suppose it's not surprising the devs won't consider Mythic+ dungeons if there are players complaining about things like AV.

Oh, I have no problem with AV in and of itself! It's a fun challenge... or well, it would be a fun challenge if healers could actually heal me or do DPS versus standing there casting cure 2 every 30 seconds.

Honestly, it's like half of y'all didn't read my post lmao.

[Kes13a]

I main whm, and I dont mind AV if people know what they are doing.

but seriously, if you expect much dps from me if you have agg'd the whole area... dont hold your breath. I am trying to keep at least the tank alive.

yes, whm has a very nice kit for healing, problem is, AV is right on that edge of almost not enough if you are doing big pulls, or if you pull a bunch, then dps pulls in some more.
so without knowing your actual abilities as a tank, and not just the "I never do wrong" forum talk, its hard to say exactly how bad the whm's are.

but if you are pulling wall to wall, then yes, you are going to die there. if you are sprinting ahead and not bothering to stand in range long enough to get a heal, then you are going to die. at that level, I dont have a lot of instant options for healing, and chances are, by then, I burnt through them already on you and they are on cd

[MistakeNot]

but if you are pulling wall to wall, then yes, you are going to die there. if you are sprinting ahead and not bothering to stand in range long enough to get a heal, then you are going to die. at that level, I dont have a lot of instant options for healing, and chances are, by then, I burnt through them already on you and they are on cd

As the saying goes "you can't heal stupidity". Any tank playing as you describe, not only will they die but it will be entirely their fault when it happens.

[Jioxide]

Good ol' Aurum Vale

[Coletergeist]

I'm weird and actually like AV; keeps you on your toes just a smidge more. Only folks that have issues with that dung are typically newbies...I would hope? It's a really easy dung tbh.

[Saefinn]

I'm weird and actually like AV; keeps you on your toes just a smidge more. Only folks that have issues with that dung are typically newbies...I would hope? It's a really easy dung tbh.

My dislike has nothing to do with it's difficulty. Oddly enough I lament the loss of two things that made it harder. One was how the first boss would constantly kill your faerie as a SCH, it had to be fixed of course, but I used to find it funny as a SCH main and it tickled a little masochism in me. The second is the second boss, where they added AoE markers, I thought it was a good boss to teach people to read the boss instead of rely on markers.

But I just find it dull, and annoying and it fails to hook me. Obviously I don't expect people to hate it too, sure getting newbies can make it more annoying but it's not just newbies who hate it.

[SomeRandomHuman]

My dislike has nothing to do with it's difficulty. Oddly enough I lament the loss of two things that made it harder. One was how the first boss would constantly kill your faerie as a SCH, it had to be fixed of course, but I used to find it funny as a SCH main and it tickled a little masochism in me. The second is the second boss, where they added AoE markers, I thought it was a good boss to teach people to read the boss instead of rely on markers.

But I just find it dull, and annoying and it fails to hook me. Obviously I don't expect people to hate it too, sure getting newbies can make it more annoying but it's not just newbies who hate it.

The issue is the players that refuse to adapt. You can explain mechanics all you want, but people will still say "I didn't know I was in it" or "I was looking away"

You can't fix the two S words that infect the players: Stupid and Stubborn.

[kinglyonheart]

i would 100% rather have a slower run of AV when tanking because my healer is only healing and not doing dps than i would have a healer that does dps but lets us wipe 3x in the front room tbh

it's not a hard dungeon but hinges A LOT on tanks knowing their limits with their pulls, dps not puling additional aggro (the amount of times i have yelled over dps doing that is ridic lmao), and healers staying on top of debuffs.

but if someone drops the baton it makes the dungeon MUCH harder, and that's probably why it's such a gripe fest

[MilkieTea]

I main whm, and I dont mind AV if people know what they are doing.

but seriously, if you expect much dps from me if you have agg'd the whole area... don't hold your breath. I am trying to keep at least the tank alive.

yes, whm has a very nice kit for healing, problem is, AV is right on that edge of almost not enough if you are doing big pulls, or if you pull a bunch, then dps pulls in some more.
so without knowing your actual abilities as a tank, and not just the "I never do wrong" forum talk, its hard to say exactly how bad the whm's are.

but if you are pulling wall to wall, then yes, you are going to die there. if you are sprinting ahead and not bothering to stand in range long enough to get a heal, then you are going to die. at that level, I dont have a lot of instant options for healing, and chances are, by then, I burnt through them already on you and they are on cd

Man, if i had all the recordings I'd show you. I'm not the best tank BY FAR! I'm still learning my kit and still figuring out simple stuff like exactly when to pop cooldowns. Which is *why* it's way easier for me to notice when a whm (specifically whm) isn't doing much more than a cure 2 every 30 seconds - I'm paying attention to both their healthbars AND enemy aggro. - if their health is going down and I've got everything near me aggro'd, I know I did something wrong - and by default, this means I'm also able to see what they're casting. I don't pull wall-to-wall because I've only JUST gotten comfortable enough with tanking to not let everyone in the party know I'm new to tanking and may flub up. I pull maybe 2 mobs at a time, though with the first room of AV specifically, I've gotten comfortable enough to know how fast to move through with only pulling the first frog, the three mushrooms, and towards the end of the room the two plants and two other baddies (I don't know if there shrooms or not). Bear in mind I'm not pulling this at the same time.

I don't sprint ahead, in fact I make sure everyone's nearby specifically because if there not there's a chance they could pull something else, which means more work for both me and the healer.

I've only noticed this in AV - in the dungeons before that I'm seeing WHM do amazing things - keeping everyone alive, playing a heart attack-inducing game of chicken with my health while DPSing and never letting anyone die. It's this juggling game that I for one would NEVER be able to do - but in AV, it's the opposite. I'm still doing what I normally do, but every single time I'm paired with a WHM, it takes SO much longer because the lack of DPS is way noticeable, and it's almost like they've got me targeted, while hitting their key bind for cure 2 and reading or something.

This is all just a gripe - and it's just ONLY in AV - WHM that I'm paired with elsewhere are fine, and I hold so much respect for healers in general.