Mentor Requirements

[LaughingBanana]

I guess me turning off the Mentor (battle) icon on my character ever since I got it a couple months back is the right thing to do XD

I need to reiterate though: I really am not seeing this supposed toxicity on NN, people are generally nice and always ready to answer whatever questions people throw in there. Again, maybe this is an issue on certain data center? I am in Tonberry, btw.

[Krotoan]

I'm only here to mention that the STF is practically a joke and 99% of their given punishments are on RMT black mage bots that already do chargebacks, and not people who actually try to cheat.

A reminder they didn't even care for PvP cheaters despite tons of reports until it showed up on JP and ONLY when it then went to twitter to spread.

So in actuality your idea would do nothing different.

Then there needs to be different people handling it. I remember your particular woes, and agree it needs to change. If it would be useless with the current task force, they need to be re-educated or repurposed. Some sort of checks need to be put on the mentor system.

[Jokerz_93]

My recommendations would be as follows:
Complete 3,000 dungeons, raids, or trials
Receive 2,500 player commendations
Complete any level 80 tank role quest
Complete any level 80 healer role quest
Complete any level 80 DPS role quest
!

Err...
2.5k of commies only to be a “mentor”? Do you know that nowday to get at least one commie you need to run a dungeon with healer and tank? Or just spamming Guildhest?
So what is the point to increase the number of commies who one needs to be a mentor , if you can just spam some easy paezy contents to get them?
Yes, cos commies are nothing else than the same farming like you do for your relics; you don’t need any “expertise” and, more important, a crown doesn’t make you nor a good mentor nor a good player.
Maybe for the game you are legitimate to say “I’m a mentor” and maybe for the newbie who see you and think “wow, he’s a tough guy. He got the crown, sure he could help me with the game”.
Be a Mentor goes far beyond your “commies” and your knowledge of the game.

Oh, btw actually you need to get 1.500 commies not 1.000

[LianaThorne]

But you got trade mentors in Novice Network, who barely even know how to play the game and is house of missinformation... and they get pissed when people get called out for it and feel harrashed, as they barely even know what crafting is about at all either, that is why it need to be barred massive in, they increased the requirements for mentor in SHB and it worked backwards, meaning would need to get back in to shape, to be able to stay in Novice Network and keep mentor.

Trade Mentor REALLY needs an overhaul the same way as PvE got.

Also alot of PvE mentors is still a joke, just did an expert roulette with one that did not use any AOEs at all, that did not get even some decent damage in or anything and felt more like a person that just did it to get the 2 seater mount... that is why it should also be barred in with massive amounts of commendatiosn needed, as you only get those if you actually do well.

1. You'll get commendations just by being a healer or a tank. It's not hard. I could barely put out any effort in a dungeon and still walk away with all 3 comms as a healer. So, I disagree with the "only getting comms cause you do well" thing. It's pretty obvious by now that there's a heavy bias towards those two roles with it.

2. I agree it could be tightened up but the question still goes to how. The suggestions that you brought up aren't a solution in my opinion because the issue isn't requirements. Your issue is with people's personality and how they treat others (since you repeatedly are bringing up people not being able to take criticism). The only way that will be fixed is if staff literally hand picks mentors and screens them beforehand. Also, not to state the obvious, but if the PvE revamp still resulted in people getting the crown and not knowing their job, did it really actually fix things?

3. I'm sorry but a mount will be motivation enough for people to take on mentor. That's what happens when you lock something valuable behind a grind. If you don't want that to be a thing, then take the mount away I guess? I don't see that changing otherwise.

[Lanadra]

The only way to weed out all the bad apples and selfish people from a system like this.. is to literally have it reward nothing. No visual flair like a crown, no mount, no dedicated roulette. Remove everything people might be inclined to go mentor for, leaving quite literally nothing but the satisfaction of having helped someone else out.

In short.. pretty much remove the system. As long as it gives anything that someone may want, you will have people only doing it for that and telling the people they're supposed to help to go pound sand.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

But you got trade mentors in Novice Network, who barely even know how to play the game and is house of missinformation... and they get pissed when people get called out for it and feel harrashed, as they barely even know what crafting is about at all either, that is why it need to be barred massive in, they increased the requirements for mentor in SHB and it worked backwards, meaning would need to get back in to shape, to be able to stay in Novice Network and keep mentor.

Trade Mentor REALLY needs an overhaul the same way as PvE got.

Also alot of PvE mentors is still a joke, just did an expert roulette with one that did not use any AOEs at all, that did not get even some decent damage in or anything and felt more like a person that just did it to get the 2 seater mount... that is why it should also be barred in with massive amounts of commendatiosn needed, as you only get those if you actually do well.

Feeling harassed for being called out indicates that it's more about their personality problem than the actual mentor system. Personally I never really fancy DoH/DoL contents despite capping all of them, which was purely for self-satisfaction and being self sufficient. I saw what was needed for to be a trade mentor, but I decided to just leave it be. PvE Mentor on the other hand is where I'm more confident in giving reliable information. But then again I do not pay enough attention to NN because whenever I step into one, either people were discussing something that's completely unrelated to the channel's original purpose, or another player/mentor had already answered the questions.

I however unsure if inflating the commendation needed would 'fix' this. If any, it would only serve to slow down the rate we're getting these 'clown mentors'---not getting rid of them. As of now, all these requirement tells me is "Hey, I invested hellluva time to play this game and this is my honorific badge!"... because they are. Apparently anybody who played long enough would've accumulated that much needed criteria. Also yes, I'm guilty of liking the mentor icon next to my IGN...because why not. When I do have it on I'll try however I can in case a plea is asked. But I agree the current system is not as effective as how its intended to be.

If there's anything I'd like them to change from NN, is to delete the entire channel while keeping the list of sprouts/returner and registered mentor around. The former can view the list of mentors and choose personally who they want to send /tell to ask questions in private manner. The latter has to register themselves into the list or they'll lose their mentor status temporarily (i.e. 1 week) before they can re-register themselves again. Which means no free icon for them for that long. Private whispering also means it eliminates the possibility of having NN getting turn into 'just another slice of life discussion'-channel, but of course with a downside: wrong information cannot be called out by fellow players.

Or better yet, abolish the entire system for good and move the reward elsewhere.

[Mykll]

Generally, unless someone does something spectacularly good or bone-headed bad (continuously bad, not oops I got synced down and SE decides to auto-turn my tank stance off for that first pull, or oops I am new and didn't know that mechanic, etc.), in 4-mans, when I tank, I give commendation to healer. When I heal, to tank. When I DPS, to other DPS. In 8-man, I wait and randomly give to whoever is left after people rush out while anything is being rolled on.

I admit I do kinda like the crown, at times. As a long term player of course it is easy for me to get in. But unless you cleared things as they were sort of current, like some level 60/70 Extremes, right now nobody is running a lot of those, and I refuse to go in unsynced. So yes it feels that it is a little easy to get to be a Mentor and a little hard to get into the Roulette. And when omg I finally get into one of them level 60/70 Extremes, it does feel a little silly that I am showing everyone, "Hey, look at me, I'm a Mentor!" and then being unable to help anyone with the trial.

I was the same before Mentor came into being. Always helping when I understood a place or class. I even had macros made of some bosses in dungeons, like AV that I spammed as tank a LOT, that very quickly told mechanics in case anyone wanted to know. Of course SE decides to ruin AV with their aoe markings now on Coincounter and such, but.... Or in places like Dzemael Darkhold when I get the new person message ask if anyone wants the map achievement, because it seems that anything other than an aoe beeline to the finish line is unacceptable.

But I also understand that there are many who become a mentor for only 1 or more of 3 things. The crown icon, global chat (NN), and mount. And many who abuse the roulette. See something you don't like? Quit. Or to put up with it and beg and plead with everyone to never do it synced again (sometimes even before we start or finish), which I can understand if you want to mount farm.

So how to fix it? Increase barrier so it just takes longer and in the end have the same problem? Get rid of it completely and people that enjoy it lose out and one less thing funneling people into otherwise dead places? Have SE hand pick from applicants when they have shown previously that individual GMs just do whatever they feel like on a whim at the moment with no consistency? Honestly that person filtering through applicants I would rather sit at town Aetherytes and zone ins and just watch the flood of bots come through and catch them immediately as they port around.

None of these sound like a real answer that unfortunately is going to be present when humans at the keyboard are involved.

[Themarvin]

1. You'll get commendations just by being a healer or a tank. It's not hard. I could barely put out any effort in a dungeon and still walk away with all 3 comms as a healer. So, I disagree with the "only getting comms cause you do well" thing. It's pretty obvious by now that there's a heavy bias towards those two roles with it.

Do the math even for being healer/tank and good at it... you wont get a commendation every dungeon.. each dungeon has to be done in real time as unsynch... premade groups wont work... you do 20 ( 4-5 hours of work ) dungeons a day and get anything between 10 and 25 commendations as tank/heal that is if only getting 10 per day 150 days and +600 hours spend getting those commendations, don't tell me you gonna do that in 1 month or less and this is taking it to the extremes... after that if you want the mount and finally gotten PvE mentor and unlocked mentor roulette, you got to do on top 2000 mentor roulettes that will only unlock, once you have unlocked PvE Mentor... if that is 20 mentor roulettes per day you do... then you are up for another +600 hours just doing that... PvE Mentor is harsh enough, however they should add 3K commendations gained for the Mentor roulette 2 seater pegasus, so their is required an actual mentor effort to be able to get commendations, instead of just sitting back pressing one button or botting it.

Trade Mentor need a similar overhaul as PvE Mentor got to justify their place in the role as mentor, it should be same tedious trivival... mind killing route as a PvE mentor goes through, whether it is forced handcrafting or not... it would be a good thing and requirement of maybe being able to handcraft 50 master items per grand level.. as lvl50/60/70/80 at HQ would not be a bad addon either.

To many think Mentor as a status thing, and making them elevated above others, give them a reason to be that as actually putting in hard work as well, instead of getting Trade Mentor given away by having blindfolded just gotten max level and halfways botted the items needed to achieve it.... also you really well know how to do X thing and would be able to provide a better help if someone ask you something specific about something, easier with crafters/gatherers as they share the same skills, except fisher, that has some oddities bound to it as well.

[LianaThorne]

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I spend 8+ hours daily in game, just saying. I also get at least 1 comm per dungeon as healer. I don't remember the last time I didn't. So your analysis doesn't work for those people in the same situation as me.

Also, people do work hard for Trade Mentor and you're kind of slapping those who did in the face by saying they got it "given away". I do hope you know not everyone bots or has things in the game handed to them. You're also heavily assuming that people who achieve Trade Mentor don't go on to omni and beyond and improve upon their own knowledge.

Your issue really seems to be that you're upset over what someone did to you and that you're now driven to get people like them removed (since not only have you brought up people not taking criticism but botting now too). Which is fair enough, just don't lump all of the Trade Mentors in to your beef when a lot of us are just doing our own thing and helping where we can. Don't take out your issues on people who don't deserve it.

[Themarvin]

I spend 8+ hours daily in game, just saying. I also get at least 1 comm per dungeon as healer. I don't remember the last time I didn't. So your analysis doesn't work for those people in the same situation as me.

Also, people do work hard for Trade Mentor and you're kind of slapping those who did in the face by saying they got it "given away". I do hope you know not everyone bots or has things in the game handed to them. You're also heavily assuming that people who achieve Trade Mentor don't go on to omni and beyond and improve upon their own knowledge.

Your issue really seems to be that you're upset over what someone did to you and that you're now driven to get people like them removed (since not only have you brought up people not taking criticism but botting now too). Which is fair enough, just don't lump all of the Trade Mentors in to your beef when a lot of us are just doing our own thing and helping where we can. Don't take out your issues on people who don't deserve it.

do you do +20 dungeons everyday single weekday?