Warrior of Lights and Crystals of Light

[Vyrerus]

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It doesn't change the fact that they were all well versed and powerful when they got their crystals. Branden was setup by the Court Mage who knew where and when to ambush him and Sauldia. Sul Oul assumes it was Branden's inexperience, but reliving Branden's fight in subduing Tadric, it is revealed that Tadric went to great lengths to remove Branden from Voeburt. He was setup by someone who knew his every movement with the princess.

Frankly, the fact that you are ignoring the questline with Cylva where she says that She, as the Shadowkeeper, orchestrated everything for Ardbert and Co. is more than a bit remiss of you. You can't ignore what is in the game directly. You are arguing nothing while willfully ignoring many things.

Again, you've ignored that I've pointed out that the Primals are powerful, and they are mainly tests of might for the WoL. As I already said, the WoL is immutably good overall. Take all the jabs at it that you want, but nothing short of a massive twist in Endwalkers will change it.

Again, the boss monster is an HP sponge and hits relatively hard for your level. If the WoL were there alone, they would die. Low level fates, even ones with minor voidsent can be taken on alone. If you look at how much damage the Scion partners deal, it's in the realm of the two to three hundreds per attack. That's enough to one to two shot most fates up to level 10. It's a proof of courage.

Well they weren't going to let Garuda actually destroy most of Gridania. Wouldn't do well for the MMO aspect of things. All Primals are capable of mass destruction and death unless dealt with though. It seems you have no grasp on how monstrous they actually are, so I assume you're only impressed by stuff like DBZ scales of destruction. Gotta be real, I think your perception is incredibly shallow.

Never in Heavensward does Arenvald show up in the minor Scions, and for most of 3.0 they aren't even organized. From the time of the attack by the Empire on the Wakings Sands, you do not meet Arenvald again until the very start of 4.0 where he's up in arms and brought in by Alphinaud to assist in the Ala Mhigan Resistance's efforts. They could fill in that time gap for us anyway they want, but they don't start filling it in until 4.1 really. The Lakshmi encounter is the first time, as far as I'm aware, that anyone in the game is shown to be able to shield others from tempering. Fordola is broken out of jail and goes right to blocking and tethering down Lakshmi, too. It's the first time the WoL does it too, and he's the realm's pre-eminent primal slayer. In that fight, in fact, Arenvald is frightened and has to psyche himself up that he's fighting alongside WoL so of course it'll be OK. Not really smacking of a versed primal slayer, if you ask me, especially if primals are as weak as your nonsensical point of view tries to make them seem.

Let's see, DRK episodes...

1. Kill rapist temple knights.
2. Kill peistes
3. Kill Amal'jaa
4. Kill Qiqirn bandits
5. Defeat inner darkness
6. Spare temple knights
7. Kill temple knights in defense of Rielle
8. Chat with Conjurers
9. Chat with Moogles
10. Kill more corrupt temple knights in defense of Rielle
11~15. Fight memories dredged out of yourself and other people
16. Talk to the guy you chewed out in 4.

So, what innocents?

[Rannie]

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The original cs pre first Lakshmi fight has the WoL block the tempering for Alisae and Lyse if that's not the one you're talking about... During the 4.0 MSQ that is ^_^

[Vyrerus]

The original cs pre first Lakshmi fight has the WoL block the tempering for Alisae and Lyse if that's not the one you're talking about... During the 4.0 MSQ that is ^_^

Oh, that is true, actually. Thanks Rannie! Please, more Rannie comedy {Can I have it?}

[Veloran]

It doesn't change the fact that they were all well versed and powerful when they got their crystals.

If that's the case, then what's your point? Are you suggesting that WoL wasn't well versed and powerful? Again, you've been arguing the power of WoL's enemies this entire time.

Frankly, the fact that you are ignoring the questline with Cylva where she says that She, as the Shadowkeeper, orchestrated everything for Ardbert and Co. is more than a bit remiss of you. You can't ignore what is in the game directly. You are arguing nothing while willfully ignoring many things.

As I noted previously, it's simply impossible for her to have orchestrated everything. It isn't as though she targeted the WoDs from birth to raise them into Warriors of Light. The only things we can really suspect she was directly involved in was the Shadowkeeper rebellion in Lakeland and most likely (due to the magics involved) Tadric's attempted coup in Voebert. Possibly the stoneskin illness among the Dwarves as well, though that was implied to date back many millennia. It isn't like she can be behind every adventure and conflict they had.

Again, you've ignored that I've pointed out that the Primals are powerful, and they are mainly tests of might for the WoL.

So they're powerful tests of might, but WoL had to beat them three times and they're equitable to a bug...?

Again, the boss monster is an HP sponge and hits relatively hard for your level. If the WoL were there alone, they would die. Low level fates, even ones with minor voidsent can be taken on alone. If you look at how much damage the Scion partners deal, it's in the realm of the two to three hundreds per attack. That's enough to one to two shot most fates up to level 10.

It doesn't even hit all that hard, and at that level WoL is just dealing about a third of the Scion's damage. Multiple FATEs and early job quests are simply more difficult.

Well they weren't going to let Garuda actually destroy most of Gridania.

Yes the Primals have power over the elements, but that really isn't where their threat is, again that lay with their tempering and aether consumption.

Never in Heavensward does Arenvald show up in the minor Scions, and for most of 3.0 they aren't even organized.

You can speak to him at any time in the Waking Sands. While WoL is off in Ishgard the Scions are still dealing with Eorzean Primal issues in secret.

Not really smacking of a versed primal slayer, if you ask me, especially if primals are as weak as your nonsensical point of view tries to make them seem.

Considering it was basically just the two of them fighting while trying to protect an entire group from getting tempered, he had reason to be nervous.

Moreover, there'san issue with your argument in that it only extends up to Stormblood. Throughout all of Shadowbringers half the Scion NPCs back on the Source keep talking about how Arenvald stepped up and shouldered most of WoL's responsibilities relating to the Primals, they literally say he's been hunting them and you see in the short stories and quests that he's been doing it. We even saw him exhibit personal heroics. And yet he still doesn't have a crystal.

Let's see, DRK episodes...

Setting aside for a moment that most of the temple knights WoL killed were probably not personally complicit in wrongdoing anymore than, say, Aymeric is, you seem to be forgetting the "episode" where half of WoL's damaged psyche murdered a bunch of Ishgardian knights at Whitebrim Front. I'm pretty sure someone's spirit fracturing under the weight of their responsibilities, guilt, and fears, manifesting as a physical being, and dicing up a bunch of dudes counts as an extreme failure of character.