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  1. #31
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    Darkmoonrise's Avatar
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    Darkmoonrise Valky
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    My 2 dps are BLM and MNK.

    BLM because of "Exploooosion", ie the power impression of Fire IV and Xeno and the overall flow of the job. More over I like the turret challenge, finding the sweat spot and try to move the least possible. It thought me to remain calm during encounter, knowing the fight to time everything and position yourself to allow maximum casting time. This helped me a lot in my healer jobs to maximise DPS time.

    MNK because of the opposite, I like the moving challenge, always be at the right position. I know I'm bad at it but I enjoy trying And I miss the real Lightning speed.
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  2. #32
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    Karshan's Avatar
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    Character
    Lina Kirell
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    I dunno what the actual APM is, but I actually feel like SAM is faster than NIN.
    When you have everything available with NIN in your opener it does feel very fast paced but then after that it's really quite slow imo, I'd probably say that just based on my feelsies without actually looking up the actual APM I'd say it's MNK>SAM>NIN>DRG in that order.
    The Ninjutsus also overinflate it even further since it's basically two to three buttons for one ability, but even then.
    According to the site that must not be named, most APM is around 45 for NIN, followed by 42 for SAM, MNK & BRD, and under 40 for the rest.
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  3. #33
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    Equitable_Remedy's Avatar
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    Eristede Kell
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    I like how fast and fluid Nin is.
    It's speed let's me greed.
    Ration and Hyosho Ranryu let me keep up the pressure when the boss thinks it can make me disengage.
    Before Nin I enjoyed jobs that did more stable and consistent damage. Not the peaks and valleys of burst windows. But Nin showed me how fun it can be to try and move things around to get that damage right where you want it.

    Plus, it's glam game is sick, even if a lot of their knives are rather overly designed for me.
    NIN for basically these reasons. I'll add that I like the aesthetics of the class, the class quest line, and the overall weeb vibe

    I came to FF14 last year as someone who has mained healers in MMOs since EverQuest—as much as I try to play tank or healer rather than being a DPS scrub, I just can't quite NIN.
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  4. #34
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    Kolsykol's Avatar
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    Character
    Aelona Chillwind
    World
    Lich
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Karshan View Post
    According to the site that must not be named, most APM is around 45 for NIN, followed by 42 for SAM, MNK & BRD, and under 40 for the rest.
    That might be true, the opener and Ninjutsus overinflates it a lot.
    As far as it feels to play tho I am always surprised by how slow it feels in comparison to MNK and SAM.

    I think maybe the bursty phase of Trick Attack messes with my head a bit, while MNK and SAM feels more consistently fast.
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  5. #35
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    Jirah's Avatar
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    Character
    Jira Dal'riata
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RdehlikaJenma View Post
    Monk: Shoulder Tackle and kamehameha go brr.
    Dragoon: Nice, meaty-feeling combos one I got Fang and Claw and Wheeling Thrust.
    Summoner: More complexity, higher mobility due to Egi assaults and oGCDs, Enkindle Garuda go brr
    Machinist: flipping around like a maniac with the HW combo abilities, Wildfire/Hypercharge speeding up rotation adds a certain flair I can't help but enjoy
    false it just unlocks heat blast which has a 1.5 second cd, MCH actually has no speed qualities nor does it speed up anything
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    “Theirs really not much you can change with the MCH”
    -Live letter 66, 9/17/21

    Where is the ambition?

  6. #36
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    VentVanitas's Avatar
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    Character
    Seiko Hanamura
    World
    Kujata
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    SAM is a job I've always gone to when I need to vent my MNK woes. It shares gear after all. While I definitely recognize the problems it has, especially with Tsubame, it's been a fun learning experience using it in savage content and learning how to best utilize its kit for each encounter, when to use Seigan to save Kenki, Hagakure filler and all of that on-the-fly decision making goodness. Still though, as entertaining as it is for me to abuse Hagakure, Tsubame needs to be changed to be less of a menace to the rotation.
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  7. #37
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    ItMe's Avatar
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    Character
    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    false it just unlocks heat blast which has a 1.5 second cd, MCH actually has no speed qualities nor does it speed up anything
    Yo, it's just... when you hit that part of their rotation you hit GCDs faster.
    I feel like you're reading their comment a little too literally when you know what they mean.
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  8. #38
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    Garet's Avatar
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    Character
    Garett Jax
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Karshan View Post
    According to the site that must not be named, most APM is around 45 for NIN, followed by 42 for SAM, MNK & BRD, and under 40 for the rest.
    Sam is faster than DRG? i find samurai super slow but super dps. I always feel sleepy on how slow it is. Very good though if you like setting up and seeing super huge damage numbers.

    For me I think Drg is a bit faster than sam with consistent damage while samurai is slow buuut super burst
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  9. #39
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    Garet's Avatar
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    Character
    Garett Jax
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkdra View Post
    I like most jobs, but Sam is my favorite for sure.

    1. It is a straightforward job with almost no friction (until tsubame comes along and messes it all up).
    2, Big numbers, big crits.
    3. I love the aesthetic, wish I could spew out even more cherry blossoms.
    4. Low positional requirements. I like positionals, but I don't like having to do a lot of them (monk) or regularly doing them back to back (drg).
    5. One of a tiny handful of jobs that actually have a fairly involved aoe rotation. Like I have to move between cones and circles, have an attack I am building to, and have a gauge spender and have to be paying as much attention to the kenki gauge in aoe as in single target.
    6. Yaten > enpi > gyoten (hope I got this right, im not looking it up) may technically be a dps loss, but it still feels S I C K.
    7. More buttons to push when doing basic combos, which was the main selling point that got me off of nin back in stormblood.
    8. More buttons than most other jobs period also a selling point to me, I like the keyboard piano.
    9. I love third eye > seigan. Like yeah, it's an almost meaningless dps increase and the seigan animation is weak, but I don't really care. Every time I do this I get the same feeling of satisfaction as when I execute parries in other, more action-oriented games.
    10. It goes fast. Not as fast as monk or nin (well outside of bozja gear, currently at 1.68 gcd), but still fast enough.
    Yes the step back-enpi-then charge forward of samurai is so fulfilling to use correctly. basically u feel like making your enemies pay even though you have to evade their attacks. The animations are awesome as well like you said..the animations are obviously made to be chained together
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  10. #40
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    Beddict's Avatar
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    Character
    Titania Chevalier
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Garet View Post
    Sam is faster than DRG? i find samurai super slow but super dps. I always feel sleepy on how slow it is. Very good though if you like setting up and seeing super huge damage numbers.

    For me I think Drg is a bit faster than sam with consistent damage while samurai is slow buuut super burst
    BiS SAM runs a 2.14 GCD and weaves a hell of a lot to dump excess Kenkei with Shinten to avoid overcapping, ensure Iaijutsu is buffed with Kaiten, dump Sen with Hagakure to keep rotation aligned, etc. As a result, it has ~42 APM as mentioned up above, while DRG is sitting at ~36 APM. DRG runs a much slower GCD at 2.50, has a lot less double weaves, and just less weaves in general given the length of their cooldowns.
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