Why is the Maturity Lvl of People Playing this game so much higher than that of WoW?

[Novae]

Don't worry, you'll see it when you start raiding.

I've yet to see any kind of severe toxicity in savage PF, sorry. People just quit when they have enough. No insult, no name calling, nothing. Not even parse mentions.
I was surprised at first to be honest, because of people like you claiming that FF14 raiding scene was highly toxix when in reality, it's pretty chill.
I've seen way more toxicity in LoTA for example.

[MarsAstro]

WoW is more mainstream than FFXIV, and on top of that sticking with FFXIV requires a fair bit of patience. It helps thin out the amount of toxic players, I think. They're still here, they're just less common.

[Nethereal]

I'm just gonna echo chamber the person two posts above and say, this isn't okay. The fact that people actually normalized that kind of treatment is pretty depressing to be honest. You would think you would want to create a positive environment for a game so that all players can feel welcome and find a place rather than having players numb themselves to shitty treatment as a pre-requisite.

Hazing.

This is a "I would rather suffer in hell with my brothers than live in heaven with my enemies" type thing. Once you accept the vitriol as something humorous and look past it and find some generally nice people you'll know if this is their "worst" then it it can only get better. Whereas in games like ffxiv your relationships are largely superficial and you won't know when someone makes you think "I thought I knew you."

Silencing ideas, good or bad do not get rid of them it just makes them go underground and fester ever more. I personally prefer to see people for what they are.

[Ralph2449]

Silencing ideas, good or bad do not get rid of them it just makes them go underground and fester ever more.

Some Gamers TM rly like to strongly defend their right to throw slurs and insults around as "silencing ideas" as if the world will end if you cant rage at people, honestly I am really happy I found ff14 because it is the first mmorpg that actually cares about stopping that kind of attitude, if you cant make meaningful connections without throwing slurs around it sounds like more of a personal problem.

[Nethereal]

Some Gamers TM rly like to strongly defend their right to throw slurs and insults around as "silencing ideas" as if the world will end if you cant rage at people, honestly I am really happy I found ff14 because it is the first mmorpg that actually cares about stopping that kind of attitude, if you cant make meaningful connections without throwing slurs around it sounds like more of a personal problem.

A valid take in response to an open ended statement.

[LianaThorne]

Hazing.

This is a "I would rather suffer in hell with my brothers than live in heaven with my enemies" type thing. Once you accept the vitriol as something humorous and look past it and find some generally nice people you'll know if this is their "worst" then it it can only get better. Whereas in games like ffxiv your relationships are largely superficial and you won't know when someone makes you think "I thought I knew you."

Silencing ideas, good or bad do not get rid of them it just makes them go underground and fester ever more. I personally prefer to see people for what they are.

I'm sorry but I personally refuse to accept that it's okay for people to treat each other like shit for the sake of being authentic. You can be authentic and be a decent person. Being a decent person doesn't always equal out to "I'm going to screw you over". If you want to live like that, then that's your choice. I just don't agree with that mindset at all and view it as very negative and toxic.

Just putting this out there as well, people will make you question whether or not you knew them in any social situation, real life or virtual. I'm willing to put money down that WoW has people who do the same thing, even if you want to make it out like it's just FF that has superficial relationships.

Also this is a game at the end of the day, regardless of whether you're casual or hardcore, and games are supposed to be enjoyable and open to all, not locked behind a personality/mentality shift. It's cool if you don't agree with me, I'm not here to force you to change your views. I just don't agree.

[Nethereal]

I'm sorry but I personally refuse to accept that it's okay for people to treat each other like shit for the sake of being authentic. You can be authentic and be a decent person. Being a decent person doesn't always equal out to "I'm going to screw you over". If you want to live like that, then that's your choice. I just don't agree with that mindset at all and view it as very negative and toxic.

Just putting this out there as well, people will make you question whether or not you knew them in any social situation, real life or virtual. I'm willing to put money down that WoW has people who do the same thing, even if you want to make it out like it's just FF that has superficial relationships.

Also this is a game at the end of the day, regardless of whether you're casual or hardcore, and games are supposed to be enjoyable and open to all, not locked behind a personality/mentality shift. It's cool if you don't agree with me, I'm not here to force you to change your views. I just don't agree.

It's not really a matter of disagreeing or agreeing merely a matter of perspective. The internet is a very free place and you can easily find niche groups that fit to your personality.
ffxiv as a company values accessibility and part of that is enforcing stricter ToS than most games doesn't mean anything really just means they don't want you to shit on their lawn, use your own.

[DBriggs304]

I've yet to see any kind of severe toxicity in savage PF, sorry. People just quit when they have enough. No insult, no name calling, nothing. Not even parse mentions.
I was surprised at first to be honest, because of people like you claiming that FF14 raiding scene was highly toxix when in reality, it's pretty chill.
I've seen way more toxicity in LoTA for example.

This.
I have NEVER experienced the level of toxic air here in ANY setting the way it is almost expected in WoW.

Recently I returned to WoW and it has improved but still bad. I dont ever want FF to get like that.

[Ahnog]

I'm 64 so it kinda comes with the territory.

[SturmChurro]

It is pretty difficult to gauge maturity level, but from what I have seen of the FFXIV community, I think it would be a stretch to refer to it as being mostly "mature". Also, for that matter older players also play WoW. I have seen or met my fair share of both young(er) and older players in this game, that game, and other mmorpgs. I am also only in my mid 20's. The difference in this game is that more players are passive-aggressive, rather than open with their aggression or hostility. When simple criticism, or heck, wrongly worded advice can get you a strike on your account - it makes sense people would be less open. Kicking does still happen quite often in this game regardless.