Why is the Maturity Lvl of People Playing this game so much higher than that of WoW?

[Asari5]

There are mainly two reasons. The first one isn't really about the maturity, its, as others already said, about the rules. Square takes the rules serious. If people break them, they'll get punished. It may scare some people from saying what they think, but i never heard anything about someone getting punished by stating is opinion in a polite way.

The second reason is the content in this game.

1. PVP

Every game with more than one fix player faction splits the community in two or more. I played Aion for years and did quite a lot PVP there. It creates tension. People are badmouthing others because they are on the other side. Because we are WE, we are better, the others are the enemies. May it be in the forum or in the game (people create characters on both sides but most of them still feel a stronger feeling to one side or another) We dont have that in FF14.

2. story and beginning

The main content in FF14 is the story. It kinda acts as a filter. The game starts VERY slow in almost every aspect (Story, Skills and Fights). A huge chunk of the mindless and aggressive Players arent able to make it through the story. I would even say People who enjoy stories are more likely to be patient, polite and open.

3. Endcontent

compared to other games... there isnt much raiding content at once. A lot of player want more raids, more action, and they want it now. They want to start the game today and want to have enjoyed the raids yesterday already. Other kind of Endcontent is in the game, a lot of them made by the players themselves, but housing, glamour and RP isnt what these black sheeps from other games want.



That being said, i put the people with these reasons kinda in groups.... but if you think about it, it actually tends to be like that. of course, there are always exceptions for everything!

So it doesnt SEEM to have as many black sheeps in FF14 as in other games, but that also leads to another problem. There seem to be more and more people who are offended or hurt rather quickly by minor things. That would kinda be the other opposite and it would almost be more trouble because it would hinder you to communicate with people. (i mean nowadays it is like that in RL too, but that is another discussion)

[Rhus]

Player bad mouths the game: everyone comes out defending it

This guy says something nice about it: everyone’s out calling it toxic, immature

Can’t win lol

[Scott]

It really depends on the Datacenter to he honest

[MoofiaBossVal]

As a former WoW player, I don't think FFXIV's community is better than WoW's.

In WoW, you learn to develop a thick skin pretty quickly. People throw words at each other all the time in chat, but all the fragile people were filtered out long ago, or they quickly acclimated to it. Seeing a screenshot of a WoW chat seems shocking to non-WoW players, but once you've acclimated to the environment you don't think too much about it.

The real nice thing about WoW is that people have no tolerance for crap. If someone is under performing, people aren't afraid to call it out and offer advice. If you don't get with the program and take that advice and change what you're doing, you're going to get kicked real fast. People's time is precious and they're not going to waste the few hours they have after work to raid on people messing around.

Contrast that with FFXIV, which has a more fragile demeanor in my experience. People like to act nice... if only because if they say anything remotely negative, they're going to be dogpiled. FFXIV's english fandom seems to have a lot of overlap with the r/Anime fandom, which is a niceness echochamber and creates fragility. People are content to spend hours in party finder carrying people who clearly aren't capable of performing basic mechanical checks, and god forbid kicking them. No one calls out anyone on anything and problems are never addressed.

As a person on another forum said: WoW demands basic player competence. FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it.

I don't think faction wars have anything to do with why players are so hostile in WoW when it comes to player interactions. The design of the game at its core, however, is...as well as the general disdain between players and the dev team, which is the result of the core game design. lol Even so, this game's player base isn't any better depending on where you look, if not arguably worse in certain areas. Just in different ways. I think overall this community is more friendly, but I would never put it up on a pedestal.

I think that the faction tribalism that Blizzard has encouraged has actually had some effect on some part of the WoW fandom, but not the entire fandom.

Blizzard's bad attitude towards their own customers, however, has really soured the WoW fandom over the past 6 years. I don't think it has made people more assholish towards each other, but definitely made the playerbase more irreverent towards the devs. If the devs won't take their own fans seriously, why should the fans take the devs seriously? There is reason why a lot of the WoW fandom's jokes are at Blizzard's expense, laughing at the devs, not with them.

Whereas the FFXIV fandom seems to have an unhealthy cult revolving around Yoshida and Ishikawa. Feels like a positive feel-good echochamber TBH.

[Ralph2449]

In WoW, you learn to develop a thick skin pretty quickly. People throw words at each other all the time in chat, but all the fragile people were filtered out long ago, or they quickly acclimated to it.

Yeah I honestly dont see this as something to be proud of or good, the normalization of insults, attacks, hate speech, slurs in most of western gaming is quite abhorrent which is why FF14 surprised me so much when I realized there's a company who actually cares about its community enough to hire GMs to enforce the ToS instead of let cesspool of global chats reign unopposed.

People are content to spend hours in party finder carrying people who clearly aren't capable of performing basic mechanical checks, and god forbid kicking them. No one calls out anyone on anything and problems are never addressed.

Which is a good thing in my view, especially when said content doesnt require everyone to be competent, if everyone was competent there would be no challenge just like there is no real challenge for most mythic bosses in world first where they are roflstomped because everyone is competent enough, I love queing for extremes in duty finder(JP dc) because it is a different game every time, if everyone knew everything and didnt do mistakes it would be an absolutely boring roflstomp

And i am unsure about the "no one calls out ANYTHING", yeah calling out PEOPLE is bad, but calling out problems is not, it is very easy to explain how this mechanic needs to be done by saying "Need avoid overlapping those circles or they can instant kill" unlike WoW's "OMFG NOOB, YOU ARE USELESS, GET OUT, reroll to fotm" which has resulted in a toxic community that rivals the LoL community, and like you said is extremely unfriendly unless you adopt their quite disgusting culture. You have no idea how happy I was to read in the rules "you arent allowed to influence other's playstyle".

Coming from WoW myself, I am really loving how much friendlier and positive this community is and no doubt it is that because of SE's actual concern for stopping toxicity through taking ToS seriously and banning openly talking about dps meters which has helped a lot to pre preemptively deal with a lot of sources of toxicity. Unlike most western companies who let global chats become cesspools because lol hiring GMs will hurt our profits D:

[ReynTime]

As a former WoW player, I don't think FFXIV's community is better than WoW's.

In WoW, you learn to develop a thick skin pretty quickly. People throw words at each other all the time in chat, but all the fragile people were filtered out long ago, or they quickly acclimated to it. Seeing a screenshot of a WoW chat seems shocking to non-WoW players, but once you've acclimated to the environment you don't think too much about it.

The real nice thing about WoW is that people have no tolerance for crap. If someone is under performing, people aren't afraid to call it out and offer advice. If you don't get with the program and take that advice and change what you're doing, you're going to get kicked real fast. People's time is precious and they're not going to waste the few hours they have after work to raid on people messing around.

Contrast that with FFXIV, which has a more fragile demeanor in my experience. People like to act nice... if only because if they say anything remotely negative, they're going to be dogpiled. FFXIV's english fandom seems to have a lot of overlap with the r/Anime fandom, which is a niceness echochamber and creates fragility. People are content to spend hours in party finder carrying people who clearly aren't capable of performing basic mechanical checks, and god forbid kicking them. No one calls out anyone on anything and problems are never addressed.

As a person on another forum said: WoW demands basic player competence. FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it.



I think that the faction tribalism that Blizzard has encouraged has actually had some effect on some part of the WoW fandom, but not the entire fandom.

Blizzard's bad attitude towards their own customers, however, has really soured the WoW fandom over the past 6 years. I don't think it has made people more assholish towards each other, but definitely made the playerbase more irreverent towards the devs. If the devs won't take their own fans seriously, why should the fans take the devs seriously? There is reason why a lot of the WoW fandom's jokes are at Blizzard's expense, laughing at the devs, not with them.

Whereas the FFXIV fandom seems to have an unhealthy cult revolving around Yoshida and Ishikawa. Feels like a positive feel-good echochamber TBH.

I haven't played WoW but I definitely see the XIV stuff mentioned and completely agree.

[LianaThorne]

In WoW, you learn to develop a thick skin pretty quickly. People throw words at each other all the time in chat, but all the fragile people were filtered out long ago, or they quickly acclimated to it. Seeing a screenshot of a WoW chat seems shocking to non-WoW players, but once you've acclimated to the environment you don't think too much about it.

I'm just gonna echo chamber the person two posts above and say, this isn't okay. The fact that people actually normalized that kind of treatment is pretty depressing to be honest. You would think you would want to create a positive environment for a game so that all players can feel welcome and find a place rather than having players numb themselves to shitty treatment as a pre-requisite.

[Payadopa]

The more people die the more fun I have as a healer, honestly. lol
And we all were new once. I prefer 'noobie' parties over that silly rushing.

[Ralph2449]

The more people die the more fun I have as a healer, honestly. lol
And we all were new once. I prefer 'noobie' parties over that silly rushing.

Honestly this, what makes fights fun is the fact that people are far from perfect so things arent as predictable, each fight feels a tad big different because of it and in a sense provides a slightly different challenge, dps lacking? Means fight lasts longer and you need to push harder yourself, healing lacking? Means you sometimes have to focus on suitability over dps and use your defensive/heals well, tank lacking? Ok not much you can do then as dps but suprisingly I have found this to be pretty rare unless some boss has some rly tight swaps/mechanics xD

If everyone was competent it would be an absolutely boring roflstomp that is the same every single time.

[Dalmacus]

Which is a good thing in my view, especially when said content doesnt require everyone to be competent, if everyone was competent there would be no challenge just like there is no real challenge for most mythic bosses in world first where they are roflstomped because everyone is competent enough, I love queing for extremes in duty finder(JP dc) because it is a different game every time, if everyone knew everything and didnt do mistakes it would be an absolutely boring roflstomp

Hello all, please take the above quoted comment as a pinch of salt. This is 1 of the reason why JP ONRY pt exists. You join a party of 7 others without being competent yourself and then waste the time of 7 others just so you can be satisfied is not accepted. You will only be blacklisted so do it at your own risk come 6.0 DC wide travel.