I was issued a warning no info given. Thought our party finder issues were resolved?

[Vaern]

I guess we should also ban any 18+ FC's that are recruiting then. After all, they put 18+ in their description, so it must be that they're just a bunch of sweaty dudes wanting to share their porn over discord.

(If it wasn't obvious, no, that's not true at all.)

Actually .. some FC do exactly that, they have a nsfw channel in their discord server.
But I fail to see when FC recruitement ads in PF were the target of warnings/strikes in the first place. I might have missed it.

[Themarvin]

Here is the issue though. Much of the ToS is broad and subjective. What is spam? Is emoting 5 times considered spam? How about posting a PF for an event that night? Would asking a question in chat repeatedly without a response be considered spam? The ToS is worded in such a way that yes, all of the above could be considered spam by one person and/or GM but not another person and/or GM. There is no clarity on the ToS.

Yes if you use the same emote 5 times in a row rigth after each other, then it is spam/flood if it show up as text, it is spam if you cast Holy or any other skill on repeat in a populated area as well... spam/flood/trolling to trigger players, is also text that is in the way or show up where it is not supposed to show up, hence the word spam... it comes from e-mails with spam mail or adverts that pop up in your mailbox, somtimes not even on your request if not all the time.

Spam is not only just repeating the same thing over and over again or doing the same thing over and over again, it is a wide area and the ToS do cover it.

[Nothv13]

Yes if you use the same emote 5 times in a row rigth after each other, then it is spam/flood if it show up as text, it is spam if you cast Holy or any other skill on repeat in a populated area as well... spam/flood/trolling to trigger players, is also text that is in the way or show up where it is not supposed to show up, hence the word spam... it comes from e-mails with spam mail or adverts that pop up in your mailbox, somtimes not even on your request if not all the time.

Spam is not only just repeating the same thing over and over again or doing the same thing over and over again, it is a wide area and the ToS do cover it.

I know where spam comes from. But as I said what is considered enough to be spam varies from individual to individual, thus it has no clarity.

[Jijifli]

Actually .. some FC do exactly that, they have a nsfw channel in their discord server.
But I fail to see when FC recruitement ads in PF were the target of warnings/strikes in the first place. I might have missed it.

That's the point. They aren't.

People only care about the 18+ tag if it's seen with RP. If we're just gonna assume 18+ rp means erp, then we might as well start assuming every 18+ fc means porn (And shocker, it doesn't actually.)

[Vaern]

That's the point. They aren't.

People only care about the 18+ tag if it's seen with RP. If we're just gonna assume 18+ rp means erp, then we might as well start assuming every 18+ fc means porn (And shocker, it doesn't actually.)

But .. they're different things. If you wanna treat them the same way you do you. In the end I don't really care.
It's not like recruiting 18+ people gives any guarantee about their maturity, sociability or ability to hold interesting conversation.

[Jijifli]

But .. they're different things. If you wanna treat them the same way you do you. In the end I don't really care.

I was moreso poking at the "If it's 18+ RP it MUST be sexual" stuff. I was poking that they wanna act like that for that stuff, but when it comes to anything else that might slap the tag, they don't get uppity about potentially "sending actual porn to a minor" as their words would be.

There. I explained the meme. I'm gonna go rot in the cellar now.

[Zfz]

I know where spam comes from. But as I said what is considered enough to be spam varies from individual to individual, thus it has no clarity.

There are people who will deliberately do things considered bad but stay just within the rules, and feel good about having disrupted and gave other people a bad day. I believe a lot of us have heard of or even experienced it. That's why they can't be very specific about what constitues spam, or many other kind of harassment.

There are many vague rules like that everywhere, including in the criminal law of your country, no doubt. So there will always be some kind of discretion exercised somewhere, even when it is to decide if a person should be killed or shut away for life. That's just how the human society (and any human community) is, and there's no avoiding that.

[Nothv13]

There are people who will deliberately do things considered bad but stay just within the rules, and feel good about having disrupted and gave other people a bad day. I believe a lot of us have heard of or even experienced it. That's why they can't be very specific about what constitues spam, or many other kind of harassment.

There are many vague rules like that everywhere, including in the criminal law of your country, no doubt. So there will always be some kind of discretion exercised somewhere, even when it is to decide if a person should be killed or shut away for life. That's just how the human society (and any human community) is, and there's no avoiding that.

With law you can fight it. With this is just sorry, with no information on what to correct. People will be dickholes no matter what, the more vague you go to protect against that the more take away the ability of people to actually learn from their mistakes. We should not drop everything down to essentially the lowest common denominator.

[Awha]

With law you can fight it. With this is just sorry, with no information on what to correct. People will be dickholes no matter what, the more vague you go to protect against that the more take away the ability of people to actually learn from their mistakes. We should not drop everything down to essentially the lowest common denominator.

This is operating under the assumption that they care if people learn from their mistakes, or it could just be the cultural aspect where they just assumption the person has a general idea what they did wrong and leave it at that. Either way in both cases no need to have a strict guideline. Their rule structure just seems to operate on just do as your told.

Do not get me wrong I do feel people should get a clear explanation for why they are being punished, bit those in controller clearly feel otherwise.

[Zfz]

With this is just sorry, with no information on what to correct.

I agree that is a problem and that it should be fixed. I'm just saying that there is a reason why some rules are vague. We can keep the rules vague to protect the behaving players while still punishing the misbehaving ones. It is the way GMs dish out punishments that needs changing, not the way the rules are worded.