The 3-Strikes Policy - Is it really a good thing?

[Nothv13]

In a way, yes, it is good. Why? It prevents people from getting out of line. It doesn't matter if you had a strike or two, years ago. SE takes these things a little serious which is good. Would you rather them take the strikes away so these individuals can act out of line again and accumulate another 2 strikes off the bat? It's good to leave it as it is so they don't act out of line. I don't care if people make "Mistakes" or had a bad day. Those who do have strikes are "Scared" to talk openly probably because they can't say anything at all without sounding like a donkey. Just don't be rude at all and keep things simple.

Apparently they don't take it that seriously since they seem more focused on people using bad words than actual harassment

[ForteNightshade]

I know people who are banned from this very forum because of the occasional swear slip. In fact, someone in particular had a four year gap between infractions yet that warranted a permanent ban. In both cases, neither swear was directed at anyone. They said Orbonne wasn't quite the cluster-you can fill in the rest as Weeping City. Bit ironic considering this forum doesn't actually censor certain words like practically every other forum but c'est la vie.

In any case, just another example of why a three strike system with zero forgiveness is a dated concept.

[Velnora]

It's getting as bad as Facebook. Soon, someone is going to get banned for calling someone a silly goose.

[Awha]

It's getting as bad as Facebook. Soon, someone is going to get banned for calling someone a silly goose.

Depending on the context, how they phrase the report, and the GM I could see that happening.

[BeautyAstrologian]

So, for those who want a premise, read this reddit thread. No, it's not a link to something dumb - but it heavily ties into the big fiasco regarding Party Finder usage and the unreasonable account suspensions.

The thread itself already gives a few points as to why Final Fantasy XIV's policies need some reform, as the current system is built in a way that pushes many people who have made mistakes and gotten account strikes in the past into reclusion.

We're talking like ALLLLLL the way back in 2.X, or even 3.X, when FFXIV was on the rise as an MMO giant. Why can't these strikes be forgiven? As stated from the reddit thread, it has to do with their policies in regards to Account Strikes. Considering you are unable to remove an account strike regardless of your own reasoning, it's basically a zero-tolerance system that is unforgiving.

Humans make mistakes - everyone here knows this to some extent. Yet, why can they not forgive after a set amount of time? Does it have to do with their culture on the developers' side of the world? Does it have to do with how they want to stand out? I don't know the reason, but with how SE is heavy handed in their policy, it forces the thought that if they screw up again for some benign reason or another they basically can't play the game anymore.

I'm looking to open this thread for discussion about this topic because aside from reddit, I want to see what people on the Forums think in regards to how things are.

U..um!! *⁂((✪⥎✪))⁂* I don't think you'll be banned...(.づ σ▿σ)づ. if you don't erp!! ( ๑ÒωÓ๑ )

[Zfz]

Well, Square Enix is a Japanese company which comes from a society where people are expected to behave and treat warnings seriously, unlike certain cultures where warnings are generally ignored because they mean nothing.

In Japan, a warning probably is like an ultimatum: if you do it again, there will be action.

And so when you get three warnings, the action follows.

I think even given a 10 year span, if a person repeats the same mistake of not respecting the rules 10 years later, doesn't that mean the person is still the same person, and not actually a completely different person? He could be a loving father now, but still swears like a ganster and that still offends people. So to the other players around him, he is still the same unpleasant bad-mouther.

The 3-strike policy doesn't seem that bad.

What should be done, however, is to make sure that warnings aren't given nilly-willy. That all strikes are actual infractions. Instead of focusing on the merits of the policy, I think we should be focusing on the execution.

I do concede that permabans are like capital punishment in a way, but then the discussion should be whether one should have permabans, not whether the 3-strike is a good policy.

[Blakemere]

I honestly have no idea how a 3 strikes policy can really be that big a problem. I've been playing either 14 or 11 for over 15 years and only had 1 interaction with a GM, that was me reporting a player using 5 bots to lock out a heavily sought after mob in 11 and it was about 13 years ago.
If you're really worried about getting a 3rd strike maybe consider a change of attitude, or stop cheating. I have seen the 18+ pf thing but you're asking for trouble there, the game is rated significantly lower than 18+ and its the developers and publishers who will be held responsible if some parent finds little timmy being exploited by a pedo. I know its mostly innocent but there is no age check for the game.

[Nightingaile]

Reading this thread, it seems to me that a lot of you people really hunger to see punishment.

When I see the justifications people give, it's even more obvious. "People who have done bad things are bad, and bad people do not deserve understanding." It's a shallow argument.

It's an argument for people who are naive enough to believe that there ARE "bad" people and "good" people. For people who want things easy. These things do not exist. Things are *not* that simple.

Mr. Rogers once said: ""Frankly, there isn't anyone you couldn't learn to love once you've heard their story"

Or, if that's not sacred enough for some of you: "John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

I'm fine with punishment, but punishment *forever*? *Unforgivable punishment* ? There's no logical basis for that. It's far too black and white.

Square Enix's current system has obvious flaws. Time between infractions, the severity of the infraction, and the length of punishment should *all* be taken into account when deciding how to treat their players.

And for those of you who would still rather release the guillotine before hearing the plea, consider that your rush to judgement might be a product of modern Cancel Culture as opposed to true and fair justice. I feel I can say this because I have seen it's influence on myself. And we are not very different.

[Kewitt]

This is just a PSA. Don't be a ....
Play with every as if you are playing in at school in kindergarten and there will be no problems...

[Penthea]

This is just a PSA. Don't be a ....
Play with every as if you are playing in at school in kindergarten and there will be no problems...

I thought this game was rated for teens.