The 3-Strikes Policy - Is it really a good thing?

[Lium]

You can receive a warning for swearing?

Huh. I’ve sworn many times for messing up in a dungeon and I’ve never received a single strike.

[MagicAura]

That's my point and I am aware people play young and old, one of the people in my circle is a woman of her 70's...that said she's not one to be offended what comes out of me.

What I consider offensive is different to the next person. Hence I think some clarification or clearer information on what they act on could be helpful.

There are of course things that are obvious and take common sense, like, don't go around throwing racial slurs.

But I think there are things that aren't obvious. And there are things that are clearly acceptable in the game's script, so is it profanity that's banned outright? Or is it profane in the context of what is acceptable in a "Teen: language" game?

I think it's much simpler than that. People may have in their circle a certain tolerance for slurs and even swearing because between their friends or in their community it's not considered offensive. Assuming the rest of the world is the same, however, is wrong, especially given that people who use them, know it's swearing that is used in a different manner (or perhaps it's offensive depending on context).

For me the rule is very simple:

- Don't use slurs and swearing in public channels when other people may be offended by it.
- Don't use slurs and swearing in party/alliance.

That's all there is. Yes, someone may do it because of habit, but perhaps when playing the game it's good to examine one's habits and adapt one's language. All it takes is to be mindful of what one says. It's practice, nothing else.

[MagicAura]

You can receive a warning for swearing?

Huh. I’ve sworn many times for messing up in a dungeon and I’ve never received a single strike.

Context is important Lium. For example I'd have told you that people make mistakes and you are too hard on yourself, but I would never have reported you for that. But can you guarantee that one day you won't come across a report-happy person who likes to see people suffer? You always take a chance by doing that in DF.

[Nightroad]

I am with the three strike policy , so no , leave it as is.

[BlissNCarnage]

I just read through the prohibitions list and they can basically ban you for just about anything including excessive use of emojis which is ridiculous

[BlissNCarnage]

It's also super vague and I do recommend reading it if you're a new player

[MilkieTea]

I just read through the prohibitions list and they can basically ban you for just about anything including excessive use of emojis which is ridiculous

To be fair the majority of people who use emojis don't keep it out of the chatbox, so it's mostly just excessively spamming that they're on about, they're just pretty specific about certain types.

[Lium]

Context is important Lium. For example I'd have told you that people make mistakes and you are too hard on yourself, but I would never have reported you for that. But can you guarantee that one day you won't come across a report-happy person who likes to see people suffer? You always take a chance by doing that in DF.

I guess so. I just feel like, as with most things on the forums, this is being overblown.

That’s not to say that GM mistakes don’t happen. Someone posted a screenshot of a GM making an error that could’ve been very costly to that player. But thankfully the GM corrected their error and the player was set free.

But the rules are the rules, and again, just keeping it real, Americans don’t like rules. It always comes down to a “Muh freedom!!!” thing. Play any video game in the West and you’ll see we like talking trash and flaming and trolling others.

Anyone who has played WoW can tell you what happens when there’s little to no moderation. Chat is filled with non-stop political talk, racial slurs and lewd behavior. Which is like every other multiplayer video game in the US.

I mean, even the Novice Network here can be spicy sometimes. And by the way? If you ever want to see what an unmoderated FFXIV community would look like, head on over to Discord. But you had BETTER get ready. Because damn.

There is a reason this is apparently not an issue in Japan. No community is perfect and they have their own issues. But they are not going to call you a homophobic slur and start trashing you because you made a mistake or are not playing the way they think you should be playing. And that is exactly what happens in the US.

FFXIV has one of the best communities out there and I sincerely hope it stays that way.

[MagicAura]

I guess so. I just feel like, as with most things on the forums, this is being overblown.

That’s not to say that GM mistakes don’t happen. Someone posted a screenshot of a GM making an error that could’ve been very costly to that player. But thankfully the GM corrected their error and the player was set free.

But the rules are the rules, and again, just keeping it real, Americans don’t like rules. It always comes down to a “Muh freedom!!!” thing. Play any video game in the West and you’ll see we like talking trash and flaming and trolling others.

Anyone who has played WoW can tell you what happens when there’s little to no moderation. Chat is filled with non-stop political talk, racial slurs and lewd behavior. Which is like every other multiplayer video game in the US.

I mean, even the Novice Network here can be spicy sometimes. And by the way? If you ever want to see what an unmoderated FFXIV community would look like, head on over to Discord. But you had BETTER get ready. Because damn.

There is a reason this is apparently not an issue in Japan. No community is perfect and they have their own issues. But they are not going to call you a homophobic slur and start trashing you because you made a mistake or are not playing the way they think you should be playing. And that is exactly what happens in the US.

FFXIV has one of the best communities out there and I sincerely hope it stays that way.

I love the FFXIV community and it's one of the big reasons I play here (albeit I do play on European servers so I'm not sure how I'd fare on NA servers--mind you I have friends from NA that actually play in EU because of similar reasons you mentioned).

I'm learning how to tank and heal on this character and there is one thing I've noticed. People are very reserved initially and especially after mistakes. Sometimes telling people after a wipe "it doesn't really matter, we're here to have fun, we'll get it next time" is all it takes to get people relaxed and happy about what they are doing. I've talked about mechanics, rotations, asked questions, thanked people for any tips they offered, apologised for my messes without trying to blame anyone, and in general most regard this conduct as a surprise. One person who used to play WoW actually mentioned that.

People are here to unwind and relax and have fun. In my view a DF run that takes 45 minutes is as good as one that takes 10 minutes if the people enjoyed it because everybody learns in different ways and the only way to accommodate that is with patience and kindness. I consider a run successful if people at the end are happy. Even better if at the end I have learned something new.

[EtherRose]

In a way, yes, it is good. Why? It prevents people from getting out of line. It doesn't matter if you had a strike or two, years ago. SE takes these things a little serious which is good. Would you rather them take the strikes away so these individuals can act out of line again and accumulate another 2 strikes off the bat? It's good to leave it as it is so they don't act out of line. I don't care if people make "Mistakes" or had a bad day. Those who do have strikes are "Scared" to talk openly probably because they can't say anything at all without sounding like a donkey. Just don't be rude at all and keep things simple.