Tired of Zenos (spoilers)

[linayar]

I think base shb was pretty good, my main gripe being ti was advertised as this dark gritty expansion where we face our strongest foes yet, but the protag side faces no consequences at all. If this is whats gonna happen in Endwalker as well, i dont see it being very popular.

Nah, I don't think people who want bad things to happen to the protagonist's side is a majority of the fandom. In fact, Yoshida talked about the theme of the ending being that of hope and all that good stuff and why paladin was chosen as the job theme in contrast to the world ending scenario the bad guys are seemingly trying to achieve.

[Theodric]

Nah, I don't think people who want bad things to happen to the protagonist's side is a majority of the fandom. In fact, Yoshida talked about the theme of the ending being that of hope and all that good stuff and why paladin was chosen as the job theme in contrast to the world ending scenario the bad guys are seemingly trying to achieve.

There's plenty of people who are fine with consequences happening to the protagonists, especially with how self righteous they end up getting at times.

Incidentally, the original theme of the game - much like the Ivalice games - happened to be grit and realism. It was certainly the case back in ARR and HW. It just so happened that, like so many other things, a very vocal portion of the community learned that if they take to social media and complain very loudly, such things tend to be dialed back by the writers.

The game has also never been about 'good guys' and 'bad guys' according to the writers themselves. There's rare exceptions, such as Zenos, but pretty much every other major antagonist has been sympathetic in some manner with understandable goals.

[linayar]

There's plenty of people who are fine with consequences happening to the protagonists, especially with how self righteous they end up getting at times.

I agree that there will be those people. I was responding to the statement on whether no consequence would be popular.

Incidentally, the original theme of the game - much like the Ivalice games - happened to be grit and realism. It was certainly the case back in ARR and HW. It just so happened that, like so many other things, a very vocal portion of the community learned that if they take to social media and complain very loudly, such things tend to be dialed back by the writers.

The game has also never been about 'good guys' and 'bad guys' according to the writers themselves. There's rare exceptions, such as Zenos, but pretty much every other major antagonist has been sympathetic in some manner with understandable goals.

I think there's a difference between someone being a bad guy and someone being a bad guy for reasons we can understand (or whatever word you want to use, if you get my meaning). I think none of the other antagonists are disqualified from being bad people just because of any sympathetic quality they may engender. The WoL can be sad while still killing them anyway because they are bad.