So, can we just ban damage meters already.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

FFXIV at launch was a casual game regarding the time required but generally speaking, was more difficult/interesting (and I don't mean only raid content). Since then SE has been lowering the bar with no results

I'm sorry, but that is just not true. Same thing as Classic Wow, in fact. Everyone claimed it was much harder than Normal WoW, while you got people running the latest raids naked two weeks after their release.

Bahamut is much, much easier than normal Eden. The only difficulty back then was servers at the other end of the world, and people being simply bad, both at playing their classes, and at doing mechanics.

The difficulty actually almost always went upwards, and right now, the game is not easy, the playerbase is just good. "gnngnn, but the dude I ran into in E11N last night", yes. There are bad players. That doesn't change the fact E11N is harder than Phenix, for example.

And your rant about ninja follows the same path. Actually, ShB Ninja is much less awkward that it once was, simply because of mudras, but yes, the burst window requires a lot of input. But it isn' t a bad thing at all, it only caters to people that like those sort of classes.

[Ammokkx]

I'm sorry, but that is just not true. Same thing as Classic Wow, in fact. Everyone claimed it was much harder than Normal WoW, while you got people running the latest raids naked two weeks after their release.

Bahamut is much, much easier than normal Eden. The only difficulty back then was servers at the other end of the world, and people being simply bad, both at playing their classes, and at doing mechanics.

The difficulty actually almost always went upwards, and right now, the game is not easy, the playerbase is just good. "gnngnn, but the dude I ran into in E11N last night", yes. There are bad players. That doesn't change the fact E11N is harder than Phenix, for example.

And your rant about ninja follows the same path. Actually, ShB Ninja is much less awkward that it once was, simply because of mudras, but yes, the burst window requires a lot of input. But it isn' t a bad thing at all, it only caters to people that like those sort of classes.

Ahem. I repeat myself.

it took titanman 2 bumps on 2 separate accounts, but my diddly damn he finally did get this necro'd again

Please. For the love of god. Report his accounts and let these threads stay buried.

[Nezerius]

Bahamut is much, much easier than normal Eden. The only difficulty back then was servers at the other end of the world, and people being simply bad, both at playing their classes, and at doing mechanics.

The difficulty actually almost always went upwards, and right now, the game is not easy, the playerbase is just good. "gnngnn, but the dude I ran into in E11N last night", yes. There are bad players. That doesn't change the fact E11N is harder than Phenix, for example.

This just shows that you've never run any of the Coil raids when they were current content, or pre-nerf (mainly second coil getting a bunch of nerfs)

Sure, current day savage is harder than Coil, but the normal modes definitely aren't. Coil's difficulty is even the reason why normal mode exists, because players complained that they couldn't experience the raid story.

[Saefinn]

This just shows that you've never run any of the Coil raids when they were current content, or pre-nerf (mainly second coil getting a bunch of nerfs)

Sure, current day savage is harder than Coil, but the normal modes definitely aren't. Coil's difficulty is even the reason why normal mode exists, because players complained that they couldn't experience the raid story.

Pretty much. The punishment for mistakes was generally harsher too. Whilst I know the servers were worse back then, it was one of the reasons Titan EX was a toughie because you had to learn to compensate for lag. But to be honest, that was something you learned to do anyway back then. Heck, being an EU player on a US server I still have that problem. Doing Titan Savage was a good throw back to Titan EX in that respect because I have to compensate for lag in that too and have died to it. Eden Normal is definitely easier. I've been able to jump into DF for all of the Normal Eden Raids and clear with zero wipes, or one or two wipes depending on the competency of the group and the raid.

Coils was a different matter. I joined multiple PF groups to get a Twintania clear. And I had to do learning parties first and we'd mark them by phase too, exactly like people do with Savage raids today. I don't think they were as mechanically complex as some raids today, but stuff hit harder, more insta death mechanics were there and your healers weren't sat there with a million oGCD's and actually had work to do, normal Eden raids aren't like that. And to a degree server lag added to the challenge, but not to the degree implied.