Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[WhiteArchmage]

According to lore - No. This wouldn't work. We would have to explain where all the men are suddenly coming from. I dont even know how the reporduce

...this is a troll, right?

[Halivel]

According to lore - No. This wouldn't work. We would have to explain where all the men are suddenly coming from. I dont even know how the reporduce

Explain, please, where all the playable male Miqo'te are coming from then, because they are vastly outnumbered by females (Moon Keepers are specifically very rare and even in biggest families there're are usually no more than 2 or 3 sons). Actually, even female Miqo'te, because according to that same lore, they are a racial minority in Eorzea, not the most common specie (№1 popular playable option oops). Going by this same logic, we shouldn't be able to play nor as female Viera nor as even Duskwight Elezens.

Lore doesn't exist to limit playable options. It exists to explain why there are not many people of said race among NPC in in-game world itself. We may pretty much never meet a male Viera in any quest exactly because they're that rare, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to play them.

Lore argument was brought up hundreds of times by now, and it was explained just as many times why it doesn't work in a way some people think it should. *looks at thousands of white mages, all mysteriously having that only soul stone from A-Towa-Cant*

[TheMightyMollusk]

According to lore - No. This wouldn't work. We would have to explain where all the men are suddenly coming from. I dont even know how the reporduce

Show me where they explained where female Viera and male Hrothgar came from to join the plot in the first place, and I'll pretend lore has value in this discussion.

I mean, they actually do try to explain Au Ra suddenly appearing, with Yugiri covering her face when she first appears, but it's ignored later on.

[Halivel]

Show me where they explained where female Viera and male Hrothgar came from to join the plot in the first place, and I'll pretend lore has value in this discussion.

I mean, they actually do try to explain Au Ra suddenly appearing, with Yugiri covering her face when she first appears, but it's ignored later on.

I personally could sort of explain it with Garlean Empire currently being a mess so a lot of people who couldn't leave the occupied territories before can do so now. That seems to be sort of a case for Hrothgars at least, with how they're pretty common to see in Bozja. Also kind of touched in Gunbreaker story line, too.

But 1st - it wasn't really explained this way in game yet, and 2nd - even if it would be, that's just not how lore works in MMO (or, at least, not in FF14).

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

According to lore - No. This wouldn't work. We would have to explain where all the men are suddenly coming from. I dont even know how the reporduce

Male Viera come from the same place as Female Viera.....reproduction works exactly the same as every Mammal (Minus the Platypus, cause god was on something with that thing)
I do personally agree that IF we get playable Male Viera, there would need to be a Touchup in Lore to explain it. Because...in every game set in Ivalice; which is the setting Viera come from...they have always been absent or in hiding. So them suddenly coming out of hiding would be a major deal. And to the people I know will mention the "WoL is the Exception"...remember, that all other player characters on your screen are recognized as Adventurers, so if they are Male Viera, then it would be recognized that Male Viera are out in the world as Adventurers, and not just the WoL.
Plus it would be weird if FFXIV is the 1st time we see a Male Viera instead of in a Mainline Game set in Ivalice.

[SpiralMask]

easiest answer (and the same reason F!viera and M!hrothgar are available in the first place) is "displaced by war". forests burn or other means simply force them out, leaving them to wander/be the WoL.
another for 6.0 story might be "had to leave to figure out why everyone/thing was getting tempered after fanny dandom built those weirdass towers so they can kill him and get back to protecting the wood"

[Fukuro]

And to the people I know will mention the "WoL is the Exception"...remember, that all other player characters on your screen are recognized as Adventurers, so if they are Male Viera, then it would be recognized that Male Viera are out in the world as Adventurers, and not just the WoL.

What grinds my gears is why nitpick it for male viera then? you just proved lore was broken already so many times. There is only one WHM lorewise but there are thousands of other whitemages „adventurers“ around. There are only a few male miqo‘tes but there still are thousand of other „adventurers“ roaming around?

we know lore can never be a reason to not implement something - because as seen it was already broken with other things time and time again

Plus it would be weird if FFXIV is the 1st time we see a Male Viera instead of in a Mainline Game set in Ivalice.

if Matsuno gives his green light on male viera (we already have that) and if they are implemented after his imagination, with a little story explaining stuff here and there which is written by him, in all respect there is no need to develop an entire game just because of male viera. i wouldn‘t hold my breath for a new game coming in the next few years that is a mainland game set in ivalice and i don‘t think holding a popular gender of a race back because of that isn‘t the optimal solution. But those are just my two cents.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

What grinds my gears is why nitpick it for male viera then? you just proved lore was broken already so many times. There is only one WHM lorewise but there are thousands of other whitemages „adventurers“ around. There are only a few male miqo‘tes but there still are thousand of other „adventurers“ roaming around?

we know lore can never be a reason to not implement something - because as seen it was already broken with other things time and time again

What gets me is people who come out swinging with stuff like "lore can never be a reason to not implement something" thats not my argument. I have never argued that something "cant" happen for X reason; on this subject. Male Viera can happen if the devs make it happen. The reason why I specifically Nitpick at Viera, is because they are essentially a guest character/race in FFXIV. Just like Ezio in Soul Caliber they can be adapted to fit into the world world/setting they are in. But just like guest characters they are usually kept intact; their character personality and lore; basically what makes them...them, remains.
Im not saying anything to the effect that they "Have" to do anything or else it "Cant" happen. Thats never been my argument.
My argument is, we should keep things consistent so that we can avoid just breaking more lore. Because at that point why bother writing lore at all?
Updating the Viera Lore to mention males coming out of hiding is not asking much, but there is resistance to this as if it will hurt Male Viera or something.....when all Im saying is the Viera lore should just be updated. Its silly and is Vague about Male Viera as is, are you saying keep it that way even though now there is Male Viera?

The White Mage issue, Thats on whoever originally wrote the WHT lore, its an issue in terms of world building I agree. But that has nothing to do with Viera, and it isnt a reason to just toss in Male Viera. As for Miqote, can somebody link me to the lore somewhere that talks about this? I keep hearing about the Male Miqote issue, but I haven't seen it in Miqote lore. Or is this old lore from 1.0 that was changed and re-written in 2.0?
Must be, because there are plenty of Male Miqote in the game as NPCs, even with voice lines.
So I dont understand this argument and why it keeps getting used.

if Matsuno gives his green light on male viera (we already have that) and if they are implemented after his imagination, with a little story explaining stuff here and there which is written by him, in all respect there is no need to develop an entire game just because of male viera. i wouldn‘t hold my breath for a new game coming in the next few years that is a mainland game set in ivalice and i don‘t think holding a popular gender of a race back because of that isn‘t the optimal solution. But those are just my two cents.

No, we aren't just making an entire Game because of Male Viera. The point is Viera come from the Ivalice setting, so if Male Viera suddenly happen, it would make more sense for them to debut in a game that takes place in Ivalice, instead of their Debut being in an MMO. Again, this seems lost on people...Im not saying Male Viera can't happen in FFXIV.
If they happen, they happen. None of us have the final say, thats on the Devs and however their process works

[Fukuro]

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WHM inconsistency is stronger in lore than adding male vieras - thats why i made that specific comparison. I also don‘t think it would damage the consistency of the lore adding the males, because i think matsuno would do a great job implementing their lore into ff14. that‘s the most important thing to me. matsuno himself appreciated the idea of male viera in ff14, going so far asking somebody to draw a little concept art of them on twitter! this is why i think its alright implementing them in ff14 before an official new title (ivalice) would be released. i just think the chances of that ever happening are pretty low. IMO the only chance we could ever see the males is through ff14 - and matsuno could do a wonderful work and he doesn‘t seem opposed to be a part of that. i also don‘t see vieras as guest characters. Their inspiration stems from the ivalice series, but they have their own fully established lore in the ff14 universe - which surprise, surprise is different (even tho similar) from the ivalice series. the guest character for me is fran - because she is basically copy pasted into ff14 lore.
For me the whm lore or some races being scarce but still playable is rather trivial. just like we can beat a fudging rathalos is rather trivial.
the devs also dont seem to be avers of the idea adding them, as yoshi p already said it‘s a thing of time and not money. if it‘s possible they are going to implement them.

Miqo‘te in general are the less seen race in lore - but just making a visit in limsa shows us there are tons and tons of adventurers, which again is kind of lore breaking.

„Comparatively few in number, Miqo'te maintain an insular mentality within their clans, tending to avoid contact with the other races. Many lead isolated lifestyles, even when living in the more populous cities.“

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Miqo%27te

The Males are even scarcer, this is from a dev post on the official forums:

Though there are ten suffixes listed above, rarely do even the largest Keeper of the Moon families have more than two or three sons. This is not by choice. Nature merely sees to it that more females are born to this race.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ng-Conventions

I‘ll update the info, but think i‘ve read somewhere that in 8 females, 1 male is born? but i‘ll update the post as soon as im home and have time to do the research.

[MikkoAkure]

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This is all just talk until they add male viera and modify the lore (which is unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future due to other things going on completely unrelated to lore), but I feel like you can’t properly compare male viera to male miqo’te.

There is a difference between one thing being rare on the continent the majority of the game’s adventures take place on, and another being rare on a continent on the other side of the world. On top of that, viera have an incredibly restrictive culture and so far in the history of the world, only the women have ever been known to leave it. The adult male viera population is even smaller than the number born as well, since they go through a grueling training regimen that not all survive.

Male miqo’te adventurers meanwhile make perfect sense according to the lore. There are already male miqo’te adventurer NPCs scattered about for one, and their whole background and lore fits the lifestyle of a wanderer. If you take into account the PCs on screen being other adventurers, you could easily say that the mismatch between their percentage of Eorzea’s population compared to the percentage of adventurers who are miqo’te is due to the fact that wandering fits them more than any other race.

All of this can be changed easy with lore though, but you still can’t compare the two at this current moment in time. Male viera suddenly being adventurers can make sense in the context of war refugees (like au ra, viera, and hrothgar). But right now, they’re isolated tribesmen on a different continent many malms away until Yoshi-P, Banri Oda, and Koji Fox decide otherwise.