Do you think after Endwalker there will be time travel?

[Bright-Flower]

Why? Who would know? As far as I am aware no-one we've spoken to about it is even sure that the 8th calamity world still exists.



He's stating what he chooses to believe has happened. Just as G'raha doesn't really know the fate of that world, they're not really sure of the fate of G'raha.

A separate reflection solves the paradox because G'raha becomes an outside actor, he is no longer interfering in his own past because his own past happened on a different world to the two he is messing with.

The ascians, whose whole thing is travleing between shards and arranging calamities, would prooooobably have noticed if there was a new 14th shard suddenly split off. Espeiccally because Gra'ha didn't travel back in time to just now, he was on the First for a long time after he went back in time and changed things.

It's a pretty simple 'went back in time, future was changed' story. Nothing about that would suggest a new physical world within the same timeline now exists because of it. Heck we don't even know for sure if the bad future timeline even still exists or not.

[Jandor]

It's a pretty simple 'went back in time, future was changed' story. Nothing about that would suggest a new physical world within the same timeline now exists because of it. Heck we don't even know for sure if the bad future timeline even still exists or not.

It does. Short story about it here:

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../#sidestory_08

It still exists, we don't really know how. Most people go with a whole new separate timeline, that is how most time-travel stories would do it after all, but seeing as that doesn't really fit with the prior example of time-travel that we have in this story (which also happens to be what the Ironworks based their own time-travel on) I don't think it's that. Not in the sense that most people seem to mean anyway with a whole new source and shards and Emet and Elidibus still skulking about, etc. etc.

[Puremallace]

That much Aether erupting from the end of days? We are getting invaded by the VoidSent. White Mage quest make it pretty clear any eruption of Aether lures out the big bad boys and there are several more hints. I 100% expect we are going to the 13th somehow.

[Bright-Flower]

That much Aether erupting from the end of days? We are getting invaded by the VoidSent. White Mage quest make it pretty clear any eruption of Aether lures out the big bad boys and there are several more hints. I 100% expect we are going to the 13th somehow.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to have voidsent showing up. Buuuut I don't think we'll be going to the 13th unless it's like, a quick visit in a dungeon or something.

We're already hitting Thavinair, Garlemald and the MOON. I think it'd be kind of silly to also have us going to the 13th in any significant capacity this expansion as well.

[Floortank]

[FFXI] did have one expansion that involved time travel. It had you go back in time to the Crystal war which was set 20 years before the events of FFXI to help protect the events that lead to your timeline from villains trying to alter the future.

In FFXI the Crystal war is something we only hear about in the main game and is referenced a lot in how the world was shaped and the events that happen in the base story. So being able to go back and see those events unfold in person was interesting. But in FFXIV the only comparable thing is the seventh umbral calamity, which was 1.x. So unless they wanted to remake 1.x (which I wouldn’t be entirely against) there isn’t much else that’s worth going back and seeing for ourselves in FFXIV when we could be going somewhere new.

This is inaccurate. I've played the entire story of Wings of the Goddess. It's an alternate universe in which the Crystal War never ended, so the events play out differently. There are different characters who never mattered in the main timeline, and none of the events you take part in change anything that happen in present day Vana'diel.

FFXIV can't actually give us any meaningful travel to the past, either. What would we be able to do? Nothing that could change the shape of how the game plays out for everyone playing through 2.0+

Which means nothing at all worth noting.

[Iscah]

The world would be split from the Source as/after he left. I'm not saying it started as a different dimension.

Shards don't just form spontaneously. There is no precedent for it. There was only one Sundering, through circumstances that have not been repeated, and everyone who has any knowledge of the shards talks about them as a consistent number.

On top of that, it would achieve nothing for this new shard to have developed "after he left". The damage was already done at that point - the calamity and the destruction of society as we know it - and yet we have now prevented that from happening. History does not match the future-Source.

Whether it seems to perfectly work with Alexander's version of time travel or not, everything points to it as creating a split timeline by travelling to the past and altering it.

And while my initial response to it was feeling like it didn't match Alexander's "stable time loop" approach to time travel, I think it can be made to work. Even back then, time isn't guaranteed to remain stable, but the loop is at least partly created and kept on track by Alexander's deliberate interference with events.

As it is described in the story:

The summoning of the colossus, and the events that followed, had potentially disastrous consequence for our reality. Its fabric strained to accommodate an infinite number of potential futures separated by nary a thread.

Time isn't a loop there because it's guaranteed to loop, but because Alexander made sure that it did.

I think in the case of G'raha's travel, reality would be likewise strained by multiple potential futures, the difference being that he was deliberately trying to take the world into one of them, and succeeded by altering events that he knew to have happened in the timeline he came from. That, I think, should cause the timelines to restabilise - and if not, then the destruction of the time machine (by us in this timeline; by the rejoining in the other). But unlike Alexander's neat loop and single outcome, the fact that part of G'raha's life was spent in that other timeline keeps that other reality "wedged open" so both continue to exist independently. Where he expected that the timeline would be destroyed and that he would cease to be as a consequence, instead his existence requires the other timeline to remain open.

That's my best attempt at resolving it within the information we have, and I think it makes sense without introducing new concepts outside of what we have already seen.

[Vyrerus]

It's certainly not just the planet splitting with the G'raha related time travel. It's the entire universe of FFXIV.

[Enkidoh]

I wouldn't be surprised at all to have voidsent showing up. Buuuut I don't think we'll be going to the 13th unless it's like, a quick visit in a dungeon or something.

We're already hitting Thavinair, Garlemald and the MOON. I think it'd be kind of silly to also have us going to the 13th in any significant capacity this expansion as well.

Exactly - we won't be going to the Thirteenth for one simple reason, we have already been there once before (it's the World of Darkness), and as it's the Void, there is virtually nothing there other than a few ruined platforms/structures and a whole lot of Voidsent. Even the means we used to travel there is now permenantly sealed

(the portal to the Void collapsed when the Covenant the Cloud of Darkness had with Xande was broken once Xande was killed, which required the Ironworks to brute-force the portal open with magitek so we could travel there to save Nero, Doga and Unei, but they couldn't hold it open indefinetely, and it's now permenantly closed).

Theoretically the Crystal Tower in the First could potentially travel there, but again the

mechanism that turned the tower in the Crystal TARDIS was deactivated for good during the events of the Twinning (to be fair G'raha actually planned to use the tower to travel to the Thirteenth himself on a one-way trip as the coda to his plan to save the WoL and the worlds, by absorbing the corrupted Light aether from the WoL into the Tower, and then taking it and himself on a suicide trip to the Void where he would vent it, resulting in the tower's destruction - of course a certain trigger-happy Ascian threw a big spanner in those plans though.),

so that option is out too.

Really I don't see us doing any further Shard hopping, because it serves no purpose once Zodiark is defeated - there will no longer be any risk of Calamities occuring so no need to travel to the four remaining Shards. We'll have more than enough to deal with back home on the Source.

[Lanadra]

Really I don't see us doing any further Shard hopping, because it serves no purpose once Zodiark is defeated - there will no longer be any risk of Calamities occuring so no need to travel to the four remaining Shards. We'll have more than enough to deal with back home on the Source.

I mean.. eventually adventure would be the reason to travel to those shards. To see what's out there, how it differs from the source and other such things.

[Payadopa]

We'll just continue as is. All Ascians will be gone and we start with one of the new continents. They are barely explored so everything can be on them. And they can make stuff up as they go along anyway. Fantasy and all that.

I just hope we loose most of our powers. I'm tired of being a demigod that walks like a garbage collector. How could a simple monster or bandit pose any serious threat after having slain I dont know how many gods. The narrative power creep needs to be turned down significantly, if you ask me.