Do you think after Endwalker there will be time travel?

[SecretIsland]

So being that the story started during ARR will end do you think your character will time travel or will be ‘reincarnated’ into a new story realm?

For example the new story taking place in a future like world like Final Fantasy VII or VIII? Final Fantasy XIV has a lot of throw backs to Final Fantasy III.

I would love to see a future world remade like ARR and see what this world would look like in the future.

I would also like to see what happened in the past. I would be very happy with an Allagan expansion!

[Iscah]

Wasn't the Garlond Ironworks super hopeful they'd figure out some time traveling tech during 5.4 before the machines got overworked? Maybe I'm just misremembering.

No, they were talking about how it would go if they did invent time travel, because they'd been told that their other-timeline selves had achieved it. ("I bet I did most of the work", etc. etc.) But it's not what they were trying to calculate there.

[Catwho]

Wasn't the Garlond Ironworks super hopeful they'd figure out some time traveling tech during 5.4 before the machines got overworked? Maybe I'm just misremembering.

I not so secretly had dreamed Diadem 5.0 would involve time-traveling to 5 years ago as a form of delivering a "XIV classic" without the real damage a real classic server would make. But in terms of plot that would be pretty pointless.

What I remember was the machine trying to crunch the spell (spoiler under cut)

G'raha needed to bring the souls of the Scions over from the First.

[Jandor]

I mean, yeah, further time travel is... not likely, but we're also not in a closed time loop. G'raha Tia's travel across time and space actually created a separate timeline, which is mentioned in the last Tales From the Shadows. Alexander IS a closed time loop, though, but G'raha/The CT isn't.

Don't think too much about it.

It's not necessarily a separate timeline, the apocalypse world could be a separate world within our timeline. There is a rather large precedent for multiple copies of the same world existing across the same timeline in-universe.

[Soge01]

Maybe. And if so, Time Mage will be one of the new job classes.

[Iscah]

It's not necessarily a separate timeline, the apocalypse world could be a separate world within our timeline. There is a rather large precedent for multiple copies of the same world existing across the same timeline in-universe.

No, it's definitely an alternate timeline. G'raha was there for it - he knows which world it happened in, and it was the Source.

And I don't think there's a "rather large precedent" for multiple copies of the same world in a way that everything in the last 12,000 years since the Sundering would be, if not perfectly identical, then sufficiently similar to mistake another shard for an alternate timeline of this one.

We only have a sample of two observed worlds, but they are utterly different beyond the basic geography. I'm not sure how this is supposed to set a precedent for the opposite.

What I remember was the machine trying to crunch the spell (spoiler under cut)

G'raha needed to bring the souls of the Scions over from the First.

That was already well resolved at that point.

From memory they were trying to develop the anti-tempering spell.

[Jandor]

No, it's definitely an alternate timeline. G'raha was there for it - he knows which world it happened in, and it was the Source.

The world would be split from the Source as/after he left. I'm not saying it started as a different dimension.

[Bright-Flower]

A split would mean that the current world and the bad future exist concurrently. There is zero evidence of Graha creating another shard, and a different timeline makes a lot more sense due to the time travel involved in changing things. If he had created ANOTHER shard through what he did someone would have mentioned that by now.

[WhiteArchmage]

The world would be split from the Source as/after he left. I'm not saying it started as a different dimension.

Nope. Stated as such in the Side Story I had mentioned.

Conscious that others were watching, I shook my head. Causality be damned. I refused to believe our friend would allow our travails to be for naught. The Eighth Umbral Calamity had been averted, if not for us then in a divergent timeline.

That was from hundreds of years in the future, in the Source. Since G'raha was succesful in averting the Eight Umbral Calamity (Black Rose), and there was no Back To The Future change in their timeline (therefore, a Temporal Paradox). It is textbook alternate timeline, not a separate Reflection. As far as we know, only Hydaelin would have the means to create ANOTHER Reflection.

It'd only be a separate dimension on the loosest of terms that would still require it to be an alternate timeline.

[Jandor]

A split would mean that the current world and the bad future exist concurrently. There is zero evidence of Graha creating another shard, and a different timeline makes a lot more sense due to the time travel involved in changing things. If he had created ANOTHER shard through what he did someone would have mentioned that by now.

Why? Who would know? Who would say if they did know?

Conscious that others were watching, I shook my head. Causality be damned. I refused to believe our friend would allow our travails to be for naught. The Eighth Umbral Calamity had been averted, if not for us then in a divergent timeline.

That was from hundreds of years in the future, in the Source. Since G'raha was succesful in averting the Eight Umbral Calamity (Black Rose), and there was no Back To The Future change in their timeline (therefore, a Temporal Paradox). It is textbook alternate timeline, not a separate Reflection. As far as we know, only Hydaelin would have the means to create ANOTHER Reflection.

It'd only be a separate dimension on the loosest of terms that would still require it to be an alternate timeline.

He's stating what he chooses to believe has happened. Just as G'raha doesn't really know the fate of that world, they're not really sure of the fate of G'raha.

A separate reflection solves the paradox because G'raha becomes an outside actor, he is no longer interfering in his own past because the events that lead to him changing the past happened on a different world to the two he changes.

I mean, I suppose you could say the Source and the shards are all already alternate timelines in a way. They were all split 12,000 years ago from the same point and they all developed along different lines, sometimes with the timelines of each world being at different points relative to each other, but they're all still linked in the grand overarching scheme of things too.