Get rid of arrows? *hide*

[Eldaena]

Archer does amazing DPS for one reason.
It needs a consumable to to it's job.
If archer had unlimited arrows it's damage would need to be nerfed by a ton.


That said I like archer how it is.

I actually have to agree with this to some extent. They don't make arrows a necessity just to be annoying to everyone. It's because the class is powerful that they have that restriction. Like a thaumaturge who has a restraint on MP, an archer too has somewhat of a balanced restrain in the amount of arrows they can carry and their TP gain. With the numerous times our classes have been balanced and rebalanced, do you really think SE hasn't thought about arrows and how they work out in the scheme of things? They left them there because they felt it was balanced.

Edit: As for the price of arrows, that's a player issue. The materials are not all that hard to come by honestly, they should be sold for less because of how common they are. I guess I would recommend getting a carp friend or taking it up yourself. Both options are pretty beneficial.

[Syris]

Like a thaumaturge who has a restraint on MP

Right, but Thaumaturge does not have to buy / make their mp pool. They simply put their weapon away to allow it to regenerate. In no way is this comparable.

[Eldaena]

Right, but Thaumaturge does not have to buy / make their mp pool. They simply put their weapon away to allow it to regenerate. In no way is this comparable.

Yeah but their MP pool is EXTREMELY limited. The only thing that limits an archer is his funds (aka 30k-50k a stack is only bad if you attempt to make no gil or you could go gather the things yourself) and his TP gain (which seems pretty good!). Both relatively equal in comparison in my opinion.

[Syris]

Yeah but their MP pool is EXTREMELY limited. The only thing that limits an archer is his funds (aka 30k-50k a stack is only bad if you attempt to make no gil or you could go gather the things yourself) and his TP gain (which seems pretty good!). Both relatively equal in comparison in my opinion.

Funds should effect a classes performance. Having the time / gil to spend on your person should make your character stronger / more effective. BUT gil should never effect whether or not you can continue playing your class. A players funds should never come in the way of something as simple as engaging a target.

[Spider-Dan]

As for the price of arrows, that's a player issue. The materials are not all that hard to come by honestly, they should be sold for less because of how common they are. I guess I would recommend getting a carp friend or taking it up yourself. Both options are pretty beneficial.

If you think cobalt arrows are overpriced, I recommend pricing the materials. For example, typical mat prices on Fabul:

cobalt ingots: 7k x99 = 693k
chocobo feathers: 4k x99 = 396k
rosewood branch: 3k x99 = 297k
total cost = 1386k for 33 stacks = 42k/stack

That's if you are manually babysitting each synth. If you are mashing enter, you can expect a 10-15% net fail rate at R50, putting you at 1386k for ~29 stacks, or 47.8k/stack. (I imagine Hasty Hand would be even worse.)

Many arrow producers are selling arrows below cost.

[AmandaHuggenkiss]

If you think cobalt arrows are overpriced, I recommend pricing the materials. For example, typical mat prices on Fabul:

cobalt ingots: 7k x99 = 693k
chocobo feathers: 4k x99 = 396k
rosewood branch: 3k x99 = 297k
total cost = 1386k for 33 stacks = 42k/stack

That's if you are manually babysitting each synth. If you are mashing enter, you can expect a 10-15% net fail rate at R50, putting you at 1386k for ~29 stacks, or 47.8k/stack. (I imagine Hasty Hand would be even worse.)

Many arrow producers are selling arrows below cost.

Those prices are way inflated, all those mats are really easy to gather yourself.

[Spider-Dan]

Those prices are way inflated, all those mats are really easy to gather yourself.

Whether or not you believe they are inflated is not particularly relevant. Could the prices be lower? Sure, but then you'd have less players who felt it was worth their time to go gather those mats and sell them, so the remaining sellers would be frequently sold out... at which point prices would go back up, etc.

Now, you might mean that you could go out and gather these mats yourself for synthing. I hope that's not what you mean, because (in the most basic sense of economics) it doesn't matter whether you gather them yourself, or you buy them in the wards, or a friend gives them to you... at the end of the day, if you craft 99 arrow synths, you are using items that you could have sold on the AH for ~1.4m. Opportunity cost exists.

[Tempast]

Whether or not you believe they are inflated is not particularly relevant. Could the prices be lower? Sure, but then you'd have less players who felt it was worth their time to go gather those mats and sell them, so the remaining sellers would be frequently sold out... at which point prices would go back up, etc.

Now, you might mean that you could go out and gather these mats yourself for synthing. I hope that's not what you mean, because (in the most basic sense of economics) it doesn't matter whether you gather them yourself, or you buy them in the wards, or a friend gives them to you... at the end of the day, if you craft 99 arrow synths, you are using items that you could have sold on the AH for ~1.4m. Opportunity cost exists.

That's right, you can farm anything you'd like for the same amount to buy those arrows that's how a market works! Congratulations!

[Syris]

That's right, you can farm anything you'd like for the same amount to buy those arrows that's how a market works! Congratulations!

Your missing the point. What encouragement is there for people to craft those arrows if they are going to be a loss of profit? And for people saying you can simply gather the mats needed to make the arrows, those players will be loosing a profit to be gained in order to play the class [which is essentially the same as purchasing the arrows yourself + hours of gathering.] So its a problem and the point still stands, ARC is a gil sink no matter which way you approach it.

[AmandaHuggenkiss]

Your missing the point. What encouragement is there for people to craft those arrows if they are going to be a loss of profit? And for people saying you can simply gather the mats needed to make the arrows, those players will be loosing a profit to be gained in order to play the class [which is essentially the same as purchasing the arrows yourself + hours of gathering.]

Most people I know who are selling arrows are grinding EXP off of them and selling them is just a bonus.
There are much better ways to make Gil. (and you don't need a high level craft to do it)