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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    What explicit quote from a Yoshi-P interview, announcement, or live letter can you source to support this claim?
    (Only explicit quotes from these source types are valid citations. Anything else is pure speculation.)
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...e_armour_with/

    The link is in there from the interview with Yoshi-P about the new melee job using DRG's gear. He stated it in an interview just after the announcement.

    http://ff14net.2chblog.jp/archives/57680177.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyhawk View Post
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...e_armour_with/

    The link is in there from the interview with Yoshi-P about the new melee job using DRG's gear. He stated it in an interview just after the announcement.

    http://ff14net.2chblog.jp/archives/57680177.html
    I read the reddit post and the quote that it wants to highlight, but it doesn't include the original context that the quote is answering. Was he directly answering a question about gear, or is someone taking something he said and interpreting it as "new job will wear maiming gear"? Because the quote itself doesn't say anything about gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    I read the reddit post and the quote that it wants to highlight, but it doesn't include the original context that the quote is answering. Was he directly answering a question about gear, or is someone taking something he said and interpreting it as "new job will wear maiming gear"? Because the quote itself doesn't say anything about gear.
    It's the best they could do with the interpretation, and the direct quote is there, it's just in Japanese. :\

    If it's not the correct assumption, someone better get on the horn to JP SE, because that post and a ton of gaming sites talking about it have it also that way. Reading the interpretation, it tells me that the melee DPS is in fact using the maiming gear because it makes the most sense without re-inventing the wheel so to speak. It's the only class that doesn't share its armor set and to put a new melee DPS in it does make a decent sort of sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyhawk View Post
    It's the best they could do with the interpretation, and the direct quote is there, it's just in Japanese. :\

    If it's not the correct assumption, someone better get on the horn to JP SE, because that post and a ton of gaming sites talking about it have it also that way. Reading the interpretation, it tells me that the melee DPS is in fact using the maiming gear because it makes the most sense without re-inventing the wheel so to speak. It's the only class that doesn't share its armor set and to put a new melee DPS in it does make a decent sort of sense.
    It's also the only melee thats one the slower side of things (compared to the others) so adding another that plays like it with its armor makes the most sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyhawk View Post
    It's the best they could do with the interpretation, and the direct quote is there, it's just in Japanese. :\

    If it's not the correct assumption, someone better get on the horn to JP SE, because that post and a ton of gaming sites talking about it have it also that way. Reading the interpretation, it tells me that the melee DPS is in fact using the maiming gear because it makes the most sense without re-inventing the wheel so to speak. It's the only class that doesn't share its armor set and to put a new melee DPS in it does make a decent sort of sense.
    The quote only says that they chose to make the new job a melee DD. It says nothing about gear. I checked the linked interview since the reddit post failed to include a translation of the aforementioned context. The header above the quote in the original is simply "About the new 6.0 close-range job".

    While I too believe that the job will surely be wearing maiming gear, it is an overreach to say "maiming gear confirmed". If we're talking about uniqueness of gear, as Bright-Flower points out, DRG is not alone in that regard. NIN also has its own gear type.

    The quoted quote doesn't mention gear at all but mentions DRG's "special position". This could easily be interpreted to mean that the new DD will be a slow melee DD, as DRG is the only melee DD with a 2.5s GCD. The thing that differentiates DRG from the other melee DDs is that the rest are hasted to 2.00s (MNK), 2.125s (NIN), and 2.175s (SAM).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn View Post
    The reference to "slots" is in fact referring to gear slots. So yes, he is outright saying it wears maiming gear. DRG's interesting position is that it wears heavier armor than the other melee; this comment is in reference to a previous statement of his made sometime around when SAM was revealed (don't ask for a source, I cba).



    They did this before with him, when he was introduced at a fanfest wielding three Katana during Stormblood's initial reveal before the job was teased in 5.5 with Gosetsu and then later when they revealed the Othardian part of Stormblood.

    Also just gonna drop this from the official twitter today—to further back up my claim that Estinien is still a DRG, they released his Endwalker render today:
    https://twitter.com/FF_XIV_EN/status...13173678153729
    Zenos isn't the face of a samurai among NPCs, though. Gosetsu is the face of the samurai. Zenos might use the weapon but he doesn't walk the walk and talk the talk like Gosetsu does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Zenos isn't the face of a samurai among NPCs, though. Gosetsu is the face of the samurai. Zenos might use the weapon but he doesn't walk the walk and talk the talk like Gosetsu does.
    Maybe we will see a new trailer with Zenos getting his new weapon, and it may/may not show us what the new melee DPS possibly uses? So much speculation and conspiracy theories we can conjure until the reveal, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyhawk View Post
    Maybe we will see a new trailer with Zenos getting his new weapon, and it may/may not show us what the new melee DPS possibly uses? So much speculation and conspiracy theories we can conjure until the reveal, lol.
    We could, but having Zenos as the NPC representative of the new Job would still be out of pattern. As I said, it could be a new path they take. But the general pattern to this point has been the new Job is represented among NPCS as a friendly, not our enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    We could, but having Zenos as the NPC representative of the new Job would still be out of pattern. As I said, it could be a new path they take. But the general pattern to this point has been the new Job is represented among NPCS as a friendly, not our enemy.
    Zenos does essentially fight like our sam does though. Think of Zenos way of samurai as a tank version of our samurai. Better explained by calibur
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Zenos was always intended and designed to be a dark mirror of the WoL. His StB design was very much intended to be Samurai as Shogun(tank) as compared to our Samurai as Ronin(DpS). If i remember right Zenos was also revealed after the full trailer had revealed the WoL as Samurai.
    So while he was not really a samurai he fought similarly to one by charging the sens with his rotary scabbard and having different sens than our samurai. (Quote from here btw: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...pansion/page70 )
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