Roleplay/Partyfinder Discrepancies & Policy Enforcement by GM's

[Silverrr]

Isnt this game 16 and up?

no, it is 13+

[Nayout]

I think it can be exemplified very well especially for what he considers "Public decency" when the issue of NSFW Mods came up.
Yoshida does not want people who do not play the game or who are just starting out to have inappropriate ideas about the game and this is a blow to the table because of the things that are seen on twitter

"Near the end of last year, inappropriate screenshots that were created using mods and the usage of third-party tools in endgame content became a hot topic, so we went over these topics to provide our stance as the development and operations teams.

Before the matter of whether mods are allowed or not, posting inappropriate screenshots using mods violates simple public decency, so please don't do it. Not only will you face risks such as account suspension, you may even face penalties in real life. "

[KinDranex]

no, it is 13+

He's not wrong technically, in some places like the UK, its 16+.

[Doozer]

This is pretty much where my mind is at on all this. I see so much performative puritanism and virtue signaling with "think of the children!". If y'all really cared about children, you'd be advocating for education teaching responsible internet usage and tools for parents to help properly moderate their children's internet usage and keep them safe from bad actors that would exploit them in addition to proper sex education so that teens can have a healthy relationship with the act in their formative years. Newsflash, the internet is full of sexual things, and most of it just requires clicking on a button that says "Yeah, I'm definitely 18" to view it. I don't really see a crusade against that. Hell, even with Steam I can create an account that says I'm 18 with little to no verification, go to Walmart for a Steam gift card and buy any adult games I like. Where's the crusade against that?

All of this reeks of demonizing sex. The advertisements for ERP are not sexually assaulting your eyes. If you're disgusted by even the implication of natural and healthy bodily functions when it's not even directed specifically at you, that's your problem. The rest of us that have a healthy relationship with it should really not be punished for that.

Those "yes I'm 18" buttons are for liability. So if anything bad happens or you learn something bad you can't sue them.

But you really can't put all the responsibility on parents and others around the minors and say, "well it's your parents' fault that you don't know not to ERP with strangers like me!". It's the responsibility of everyone (yes, everyone, even ERPers) to make sure environments that may contain minors (like, say, an online game rated T) are safe for them. That means keeping ERP to yourself or within closed groups and not doing it with people you don't know. That's not "demonizing" sex, that's exercising caution. You do know that you don't have to have a black or white perspective on this, right? In this case both sides are right to a degree, but going to the full extreme that acting like people are being prudes for telling you to stop advertising ERP in public is absurd.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Folks under the age of 18 being able to make the distinction between what would qualify as general RP for 18+ (Nightclubs etc, etc) and ERP is rare, especially when not accurately described what goes on with them in the first place, so in itself, the 18/21+ flag does nothing to alleviate the issue until you go on a whim and find out yourself. This is the problem with advertising such things publicly.

If we want to get into the argument of whether it is bad or negligent parenting, sure, but then there's only so intrusive you can be into the activities, and with the game itself having an appropriate ESRB rating to help inform themselves on what to, and what not to get, you're still unable to completely police the activities of the person whilst online. You can police the games, sure, but when you're online it's a more complex issue than simply shot-calling bad parenting, especially when the only solution is to be overly intrusive into the matter.

I will correct you that the terms of service contradict the approach, considering; in no uncertain terms states "The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.". So yes, it is equally your responsibility to ensure that only those of appropriate age are able to access it. Granted it's a difficult thing to do, henceforth why public advertising 18/21+ is not necessarily the most defensible action in the world, irrespective of the frequency it occurs, the consequence for negligence on all accounts is too great.

Lest we forget the vast majority of social networking sites have child safety policies and procedures.

Then why are said teenagers able to access places like the Beehive which is a strip club? Why are said teenagers able to read questlines that have to do escorts and "services"?

[Kaurhz]

Then why are said teenagers able to access places like the Beehive which is a strip club? Why are said teenagers able to read questlines that have to do escorts and "services"?

The beehive is considered suggestive content, whereas a direct exchange in a mature conversation between two individuals is more explicit. The responsibility is with ESRB, they have fulfilled that through the age rating and have deemed it appropriate. So stop creating false equivalencies in an attempt to justify this behaviour. The major distinction is that the latter under certain circumstances can not only get you in severe trouble in-game but also outside of game.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Then why are said teenagers able to access places like the Beehive which is a strip club? Why are said teenagers able to read questlines that have to do escorts and "services"?

Reading about and participating in are 2 very different things

I have no stake in this, but surely you can see the issues with advertising 18+ erp publicly in a game rated for 13+


I don't care about rp one way or the other. I'm all for rpers having a section in pf for events. But I don't think any company wants 18+ stuff advertised, especially when there have been issues in the past.

[Gojin]

yet they put a mechanic in the game where an underage girl keeps getting undressed. Then dont get me started on all the under dressed bosses. But no RPing allowed anymore!

[IkaraGreydancer]

The beehive is considered suggestive content, whereas a direct exchange in a mature conversation between two individuals is more explicit. The responsibility is with ESRB, they have fulfilled that through the age rating and have deemed it appropriate. So stop creating false equivalencies in an attempt to justify this behaviour. The major distinction is that the latter under certain circumstances can not only get you in severe trouble in-game but also outside of game.

Ahhh so its ok because the hats at the ESRB deem it as such. Goootcha

[ZackZero]

Those "yes I'm 18" buttons are for liability. So if anything bad happens or you learn something bad you can't sue them.

But you really can't put all the responsibility on parents and others around the minors and say, "well it's your parents' fault that you don't know not to ERP with strangers like me!". It's the responsibility of everyone (yes, everyone, even ERPers) to make sure environments that may contain minors (like, say, an online game rated T) are safe for them. That means keeping ERP to yourself or within closed groups and not doing it with people you don't know. That's not "demonizing" sex, that's exercising caution. You do know that you don't have to have a black or white perspective on this, right? In this case both sides are right to a degree, but going to the full extreme that acting like people are being prudes for telling you to stop advertising ERP in public is absurd.

Fair points, and agreed that advertising that sort of thing in public is certainly asking for GM attention or worse. However, by the same point, there's been a good few references in this thread that just attack it as degeneracy, a famously vague term that has been used to address anything that isn't the societal norm, or even suggesting (and trying to walk back as unmarked sarcasm) that LGBT+ groups should be kicked off next. The people doing that here are just as bad.