Roleplay/Partyfinder Discrepancies & Policy Enforcement by GM's

[ZedxKayn]

i do want to know from where did you get that info? there is no official poll, or any way to see how only 5% of the player population are the role players, when about 65% of the population (as per all DCs) havent clear eden in savage based in the last fflogs data

edit to add numbers
FF current players 24,255,566
5% = 1,212,778 (refered as the amount of role players)
60% = 14,553,339 (refered as the amount of ppl without raiding data)

Is 65% of fflogs characters 65% of the playerbase though, or even 65% of lv80 players? Because I'm pretty sure way more than 65% haven't done savage.

[NeoSandalphon]

of the player base, there is no official way to know how many of the 100% are actually at endgame either, like ther eis no way to know if the 5% mentioned are the "roleplayer"

i got the amount of players from MMO-Population not the best source since is not official but the closest to a census

[Nataruma]

I said that ERP is already forbidden "in a way".
What i meant by that, is that if RP PF aren't allowed, ERP PF too since ERP is a "child" of RP (a subcategory if you prefer)

For your explanation and "parenting issue", the problem is much more complicated and i'll give you an example.


You're an adult, you created an account of website advertising adult relations, you paied your sub so you have more choices etc... And you talk to a woman.
At the end, the woman isn't one, a child that just want to prank/do dumb stuff.
If his parents wanted to report you, they wouldn't win.

Why ? Because the website clearly states that it's for adults, so at this point, you don't have any responsability (unless you continue to talk about adult stuff while this child clearly told you that he was one)

What is final fantasy 14 ? A game that allows you to play a hero in a fantasy world, everyone above 13 can play it.
If you are caught having a naughty conversation with an adult, but at the end, this adult is a child and you get reported -> you might get condemned (with extenuating circumstances at best) because the game isn't advertised for that kind of content.

This is not something about parenting issues, FF14 isn't meant to do that kind of stuff, FF14 is meant to play a hero with people above 13.

For my previous comment ->

I've done my homework and checked the User Agreement, i actually see something that might explain why RP PF got a strike.
It says that you must not disrupt the game experience.

In the party finder, when i try to create a PF, i can only choose dungeons/raid/PvP/PotD/Treasure/Gathering etc...
So, if you make a party finder with an objective that isn't what you actually want to do, you, in a kind of way, disrupt the game experience.
However, there's a lot of sorting options to allow you to move away from those "disrupting PFs", so it isn't really a problem.

And furthermore, there is an "RP" tag that you can place next to your name, so it's absurd that SE doesn't provide any useful tool to actually find RP mates directly.

PS : i didn't mentionned the fact that you can choose to not specify any mission because it's actually the same. Do not specifying doesn't mean that you can do everything you want. Just want to clarify that before getting quote for this.

Disrupting PFs? Where's the disruption when all these listings go in the "Other" tab? This seems a weak reasoning for the actions taken against the people in the OP, nor is it the reason given by the GM for the actions they took in reprimanding the players.

Secondly, why have a choice to list something as "None" if this category could potentially be misused according to GMs? If there was no miscellaneous category, then people wouldn't be able to post up their ads, and if Squeenix wanted to crack down on this just remove that page entirely.

[AphraelAmarantha]

i do want to know from where did you get that info? there is no official poll, or any way to see how only 5% of the player population are the role players, when about 65% of the population (as per all DCs) havent clear eden in savage based in the last fflogs data

edit to add numbers
FF current players 24,255,566
5% = 1,212,778 (refered as the amount of role players)
65% = 15,766,117 (refered as the amount of ppl without raiding data)

Lol, this is a silly assumption, just because I don’t raid on savage tier doesn’t mean I rp. I don’t do savage because it’s way too difficult for me. I’m certain there are a lot of players like me who just don’t care for savage. Just because we don’t care for savage doesn’t mean we rp, lol. Additionally, some people opt out of data posting on fflogs as well (myself included because I find it rude but that’s for a different thread). My point is using fflogs data to determine who rps is a very poor way to measure who rps. It’s not a reliable number at all.

[NeoSandalphon]

Lol, this is a silly assumption, just because I don’t raid on savage tier doesn’t mean I rp. I don’t do savage because it’s way too difficult for me. I’m certain there are a lot of players like me who just don’t care for savage. Just because we don’t care for savage doesn’t mean we rp, lol. Additionally, some people opt out of data posting on fflogs as well (myself included because I find it rude but that’s for a different thread). My point is using fflogs data to determine who rps is a very poor way to measure who rps. It’s not a reliable number at all.

is the why i was asking from where the 5% comes front, there is no official way to know what activities anyone is engaging, my question was related to the 5% number so i when out and got what ever number i found in data that whoever knows gather and trow it there. there is no way for us to know, the actual numbers

[Vaern]

In a 13+ game it's not teenagers' fault if they're submitted to advertisement for adult content, it's ERPer's fault for advertising to an audiance that is underaged to a degree.
It's actually blowing my mind, none of you were teenagers ? How did we all not lie about our age to get on some adult websites. And now you're advertising adult content to the same teenagers we were, knowing they will happily lie to you about their age just like we did to get on adult websites.

[Savagelf]

Vaern we not live in reasonable age people tend to forget was is consider reasonable

[kellanna]

And so folks under 18 shouldnt be going to said locations. Those advertising arent at fault if someone underaged goes to one as they are always listed as 18+. That's called bad parenting if someone underage ends up there. If seeing someone post on pf about their venue upsets you so much to where you have to blist them that tell me your foundation is a bit to shaky imo

This is pretty much where my mind is at on all this. I see so much performative puritanism and virtue signaling with "think of the children!". If y'all really cared about children, you'd be advocating for education teaching responsible internet usage and tools for parents to help properly moderate their children's internet usage and keep them safe from bad actors that would exploit them in addition to proper sex education so that teens can have a healthy relationship with the act in their formative years. Newsflash, the internet is full of sexual things, and most of it just requires clicking on a button that says "Yeah, I'm definitely 18" to view it. I don't really see a crusade against that. Hell, even with Steam I can create an account that says I'm 18 with little to no verification, go to Walmart for a Steam gift card and buy any adult games I like. Where's the crusade against that?

All of this reeks of demonizing sex. The advertisements for ERP are not sexually assaulting your eyes. If you're disgusted by even the implication of natural and healthy bodily functions when it's not even directed specifically at you, that's your problem. The rest of us that have a healthy relationship with it should really not be punished for that.

[IkaraGreydancer]

In a 13+ game it's not teenagers' fault if they're submitted to advertisement for adult content, it's ERPer's fault for advertising to an audiance that is underaged to a degree.
It's actually blowing my mind, none of you were teenagers ? How did we all not lie about our age to get on some adult websites. And now you're advertising adult content to the same teenagers we were, knowing they will happily lie to you about their age just like we did to get on adult websites.

Isnt this game 16 and up?

[Kaurhz]

And so folks under 18 shouldnt be going to said locations. Those advertising arent at fault if someone underaged goes to one as they are always listed as 18+. That's called bad parenting if someone underage ends up there. If seeing someone post on pf about their venue upsets you so much to where you have to blist them that tell me your foundation is a bit to shaky imo

Folks under the age of 18 being able to make the distinction between what would qualify as general RP for 18+ (Nightclubs etc, etc) and ERP is rare, especially when not accurately described what goes on with them in the first place, so in itself, the 18/21+ flag does nothing to alleviate the issue until you go on a whim and find out yourself. This is the problem with advertising such things publicly.

If we want to get into the argument of whether it is bad or negligent parenting, sure, but then there's only so intrusive you can be into the activities, and with the game itself having an appropriate ESRB rating to help inform themselves on what to, and what not to get, you're still unable to completely police the activities of the person whilst online. You can police the games, sure, but when you're online it's a more complex issue than simply shot-calling bad parenting, especially when the only solution is to be overly intrusive into the matter.

I will correct you that the terms of service contradict the approach, considering; in no uncertain terms states "The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.". So yes, it is equally your responsibility to ensure that only those of appropriate age are able to access it. Granted it's a difficult thing to do, henceforth why public advertising 18/21+ is not necessarily the most defensible action in the world, irrespective of the frequency it occurs, the consequence for negligence on all accounts is too great.

Lest we forget the vast majority of social networking sites have child safety policies and procedures.