Paladin button consolidation for 6.0

[Elizasylen]

I think Paladin has too buttons, not necessarily too many skills but too many buttons. It is difficult to find place and hotkeys for it. I would like to recommend changes to minimize the amount of buttons Paladin has.

1. Royal Authority becomes Atonement while PLD has Sword Oath buff. This is very straight forward, you can only use Atonement in Sword Oath, and normally just takes up a button.

2. Requiescat becomes Confiteor when you have the Confiteor buff. Confiteor is a button that gets used once in a rotation every minute. You cannot use Confiteor without Requiescat, so combining the 2 minimizes buttons and does not interfere with play.

[ItMe]

I think these are great ideas.
If I could add another, I'd like it if either Cover or Intervention were simply a secondary effect for Shelltron if cast on an ally.
You can use TBN on an ally.
Can't use Shelltron on an ally and it just leads to more buttons.

[shao32]

requiem cast is an Ability (oGCD) and confiteor is a spell (GCD) so idk how viable is that with the spaghetti code, apart it could create a problem of starting and ending requiem cast window in the same GCD with a spike of lag or something, i belive is more practical keep them separate.

[Kabooa]

requiem cast is an Ability (oGCD) and confiteor is a spell (GCD) so idk how viable is that with the spaghetti code, apart it could create a problem of starting and ending requiem cast window in the same GCD with a spike of lag or something, i belive is more practical keep them separate.

Non-issue. Blue mage's ability from Suzaku functions exactly like this - OGCD to start, with a GCD finisher. At most, you'd just apply a separate internal 1-2s CD before Confiteor can be used if you want to proof it.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I think Paladin has too buttons, not necessarily too many skills but too many buttons. It is difficult to find place and hotkeys for it. I would like to recommend changes to minimize the amount of buttons Paladin has.

1. Royal Authority becomes Atonement while PLD has Sword Oath buff. This is very straight forward, you can only use Atonement in Sword Oath, and normally just takes up a button.

2. Requiescat becomes Confiteor when you have the Confiteor buff. Confiteor is a button that gets used once in a rotation every minute. You cannot use Confiteor without Requiescat, so combining the 2 minimizes buttons and does not interfere with play.

I agree with the second option, but the first I disagree with, simply as it removes albeit niche, point of autonomy with Royal Authority and Atonement. iirc, Leviathan savage optimized in phase one had you overwrite one Atonement stack to adjust rotation specifically to align rotation better before the jump for his first set of dashes. While the scenario is indeed niche, I much rather have that choice there rather than limit it.

[Duskane]

well delete Shield bash is an Easy one

oath gauge spenders like Sheltron and Intervention should be one skill (so has % mitigation with block chance)

[ArianeEwah]

I agree with the second option, but the first I disagree with, simply as it removes albeit niche, point of autonomy with Royal Authority and Atonement. iirc, Leviathan savage optimized in phase one had you overwrite one Atonement stack to adjust rotation specifically to align rotation better before the jump for his first set of dashes. While the scenario is indeed niche, I much rather have that choice there rather than limit it.

That shouldn't be a problem if it's properly programmed. i.e. if you want to execute "Royal Authority", but still have a stack left, the button should change back to RA if used in a combo after Riotblade. That wouldn't even affect the gameplay as Atonement would break the combo anyway, and you would lose more potency by using Atone than by finishing with RA... well, that is IF properly programmed.

Non-issue. Blue mage's ability from Suzaku functions exactly like this - OGCD to start, with a GCD finisher. At most, you'd just apply a separate internal 1-2s CD before Confiteor can be used if you want to proof it.

While Phantom Flurry has the restriction that you don't do anything else before using it again, I agree. This isn't the first time SE has added an "oGCD into GCD" button. I think the first was BLM PvP Enochian. It changes from Enochian - after you acquire fire or ice - to Fire IV or Blizzard IV - depending which stance you have. So it's even more advanced than Phantom Flurry. There IS a way to properly programm it.

[Recon1o6]

Here's some suggestions I've got to go with your good ones

Merge cover and intervention. Cover is just better than intervention

Change shield bash so it functions as low blow with a shorter timer, delete low blow from pld. I am not a fan of homogenised role actions and believe all should be unique. Paladin can have ye olde shield bash work properly

Holy circle and Holy spirit combine so they function like Ast's gravity.

I suspect we will lose shirk as a role action given enmity changes

[AvernusTyrfing]

Do you guys actually play PLD or are you just suggesting any dumb idea that comes to your head?

"Cover or Intervention were simply a secondary effect for Shelltron if cast on an ally."
"oath gauge spenders like Sheltron and Intervention should be one skill"
"Merge cover and intervention. Cover is just better than intervention"

Sheltron and Intervention are perfectly fine as is and the only good change to make to Cover would be to revert it back to SB days where it was just a normal cd with the bonus trait of also giving 20% DR

"Holy circle and Holy spirit combine so they function like Ast's gravity."

If both were merged they would have to lower the potency on it and thus the Requiescat rotation would end up being shafted and end up weaker, so they would have to make more adjustments somewhere else. There is no need to make such a change.

"well delete Shield bash is an Easy one"

Shield Bash still has its niche uses, specially when the dps is abysmal and you end up running out of cds in a dungeon pull. They could make it see more use by making it have increased potency at the cost of Oath Gauge, otherwise it's fine as is.

"Royal Authority becomes Atonement while PLD has Sword Oath buff."

Honestly, that's a rather minor issue, i don't really see the problem with Atonement being a separate skill. Compared to Heavensward we still have one less button than we used to have since Savage Blade is gone.

[ItMe]

Do you guys actually play PLD or are you just suggesting any dumb idea that comes to your head?

"Cover or Intervention were simply a secondary effect for Shelltron if cast on an ally."
"oath gauge spenders like Sheltron and Intervention should be one skill"
"Merge cover and intervention. Cover is just better than intervention"

Sheltron and Intervention are perfectly fine as is and the only good change to make to Cover would be to revert it back to SB days where it was just a normal cd with the bonus trait of also giving 20% DR

Yeah, I actually main PLD.
And I don't see how reverting cover to the SB effect would address the idea of button consolidation.
You say they work fine the way they do now, and you're right, but there is also nothing wrong with putting them on one button.