Roleplay/Partyfinder Discrepancies & Policy Enforcement by GM's

[Squalalah]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5512535 (removed to not break 3000 char rule)

I said that ERP is already forbidden "in a way".
What i meant by that, is that if RP PF aren't allowed, ERP PF too since ERP is a "child" of RP (a subcategory if you prefer)

For your explanation and "parenting issue", the problem is much more complicated and i'll give you an example.


You're an adult, you created an account of website advertising adult relations, you paied your sub so you have more choices etc... And you talk to a woman.
At the end, the woman isn't one, a child that just want to prank/do dumb stuff.
If his parents wanted to report you, they wouldn't win.

Why ? Because the website clearly states that it's for adults, so at this point, you don't have any responsability (unless you continue to talk about adult stuff while this child clearly told you that he was one)

What is final fantasy 14 ? A game that allows you to play a hero in a fantasy world, everyone above 13 can play it.
If you are caught having a naughty conversation with an adult, but at the end, this adult is a child and you get reported -> you might get condemned (with extenuating circumstances at best) because the game isn't advertised for that kind of content.

This is not something about parenting issues, FF14 isn't meant to do that kind of stuff, FF14 is meant to play a hero with people above 13.

For my previous comment ->

I've done my homework and checked the User Agreement, i actually see something that might explain why RP PF got a strike.
It says that you must not disrupt the game experience.

In the party finder, when i try to create a PF, i can only choose dungeons/raid/PvP/PotD/Treasure/Gathering etc...
So, if you make a party finder with an objective that isn't what you actually want to do, you, in a kind of way, disrupt the game experience.
However, there's a lot of sorting options to allow you to move away from those "disrupting PFs", so it isn't really a problem.

And furthermore, there is an "RP" tag that you can place next to your name, so it's absurd that SE doesn't provide any useful tool to actually find RP mates directly.

PS : i didn't mentionned the fact that you can choose to not specify any mission because it's actually the same. Do not specifying doesn't mean that you can do everything you want. Just want to clarify that before getting quote for this.

[Saefinn]

I said that ERP is already forbidden "in a way".
What i meant by that, is that if RP PF aren't allowed, ERP PF too since ERP is a "child" of RP (a subcategory if you prefer)

For your explanation and "parenting issue", the problem is much more complicated and i'll give you an example.


You're an adult, you created an account of website advertising adult relations, you paied your sub so you have more choices etc... And you talk to a woman.
At the end, the woman isn't one, a child that just want to prank/do dumb stuff.
If his parents wanted to report you, they wouldn't win.

Why ? Because the website clearly states that it's for adults, so at this point, you don't have any responsability (unless you continue to talk about adult stuff while this child clearly told you that he was one)

What is final fantasy 14 ? A game that allows you to play a hero in a fantasy world, everyone above 13 can play it.
If you are caught having a naughty conversation with an adult, but at the end, this adult is a child and you get reported -> you might get condemned (with extenuating circumstances at best) because the game isn't advertised for that kind of content.

This is not something about parenting issues, FF14 isn't meant to do that kind of stuff, FF14 is meant to play a hero with people above 13.

For my previous comment ->

I've done my homework and checked the User Agreement, i actually see something that might explain why RP PF got a strike.
It says that you must not disrupt the game experience.

In the party finder, when i try to create a PF, i can only choose dungeons/raid/PvP/PotD/Treasure/Gathering etc...
So, if you make a party finder with an objective that isn't what you actually want to do, you, in a kind of way, disrupt the game experience.
However, there's a lot of sorting options to allow you to move away from those "disrupting PFs", so it isn't really a problem.

And furthermore, there is an "RP" tag that you can place next to your name, so it's absurd that SE doesn't provide any useful tool to actually find RP mates directly.

I think to a degree fair enough on the parenting one, but I will say that the game's content is rated "Teen" but online interactions are unrated. But I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to what the law would say, but to me it would say "the game's content is fine for a kid, but interactions are fair game" and of course within reason of the ToS. A lawyer may disagree, however, they're not exactly stamping down on ERP, so I don't know if the devs agree it's an issue either.

But I don't know how much disruption it really causes? Particularly in the "other" tag, as long as they're correctly advertised, it doesn't really disrupt. If anything, the GM's suggestion of using shout chat is more disruptive.

[Kaurhz]

I think to a degree fair enough on the parenting one, but I will say that the game's content is rated "Teen" but online interactions are unrated. But I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to what the law would say, but to me it would say "the game's content is fine for a kid, but interactions are fair game" and of course within reason of the ToS. A lawyer may disagree, however, they're not exactly stamping down on ERP, so I don't know if the devs agree it's an issue either.

But I don't know how much disruption it really causes? Particularly in the "other" tag, as long as they're correctly advertised, it doesn't really disrupt. If anything, the GM's suggestion of using shout chat is more disruptive.

Well practically speaking the design of the game, and what is included within the game therein is a predetermined factor. With buying the game you generally can't deviate from it. On the other hand, online interactions are random, not predetermined. Developers control the game itself, not the interactions occurring online with respect to the game. Otherwise, by this logic, every game that has online functionality should be rated 'Adult Only' because there is always that risk factor. It's just not pragmatic to rate online interactions. But that doesn't excuse what may necessarily happen online. Hence to be precautionary about what you do, and those around you.

[Nataruma]

I said that ERP is already forbidden "in a way".
What i meant by that, is that if RP PF aren't allowed, ERP PF too since ERP is a "child" of RP (a subcategory if you prefer)

For your explanation and "parenting issue", the problem is much more complicated and i'll give you an example.


You're an adult, you created an account of website advertising adult relations, you paied your sub so you have more choices etc... And you talk to a woman.
At the end, the woman isn't one, a child that just want to prank/do dumb stuff.
If his parents wanted to report you, they wouldn't win.

Why ? Because the website clearly states that it's for adults, so at this point, you don't have any responsability (unless you continue to talk about adult stuff while this child clearly told you that he was one)

What is final fantasy 14 ? A game that allows you to play a hero in a fantasy world, everyone above 13 can play it.
If you are caught having a naughty conversation with an adult, but at the end, this adult is a child and you get reported -> you might get condemned (with extenuating circumstances at best) because the game isn't advertised for that kind of content.

This is not something about parenting issues, FF14 isn't meant to do that kind of stuff, FF14 is meant to play a hero with people above 13.

For my previous comment ->

I've done my homework and checked the User Agreement, i actually see something that might explain why RP PF got a strike.
It says that you must not disrupt the game experience.

In the party finder, when i try to create a PF, i can only choose dungeons/raid/PvP/PotD/Treasure/Gathering etc...
So, if you make a party finder with an objective that isn't what you actually want to do, you, in a kind of way, disrupt the game experience.
However, there's a lot of sorting options to allow you to move away from those "disrupting PFs", so it isn't really a problem.

And furthermore, there is an "RP" tag that you can place next to your name, so it's absurd that SE doesn't provide any useful tool to actually find RP mates directly.

PS : i didn't mentionned the fact that you can choose to not specify any mission because it's actually the same. Do not specifying doesn't mean that you can do everything you want. Just want to clarify that before getting quote for this.

Disrupting PFs? Where's the disruption when all these listings go in the "Other" tab? This seems a weak reasoning for the actions taken against the people in the OP, nor is it the reason given by the GM for the actions they took in reprimanding the players.

Secondly, why have a choice to list something as "None" if this category could potentially be misused according to GMs? If there was no miscellaneous category, then people wouldn't be able to post up their ads, and if Squeenix wanted to crack down on this just remove that page entirely.