Discrepancy in lore (spoilers)

[LineageRazor]

Remember during the banquet when you are lv 50 and some random mook guards detain you and tie you up like if you were a punk? On some jobs like monk (you have no weapons, so what? being unarmed doesnt instantly make your martial arts null) that has unlocked 7 chakras already is quite ridiculous unless Uldah guards are super beefed up and are Legatus level each one.

In that particular case, I strongly felt that the WoL was voluntarily going along with the arrest. In the cutscene where the WoL was taken, there was no struggle whatsoever, no resistance, so it's not as though the WoL was overpowered. The WoL is innocent and knows it, and plays along to get to the bottom of the mystery. A struggle would have only strengthened the accusation of murder.

There may be instances of "cutscene incompetence", but this, in particular, I don't think is one of them.

Later on, when the WoL flees with the rest of the Scions might be a better example. Why flee, when the WoL could simply wipe out the pursuing forces? Again, though the WoL is innocent of the crime, and presuming that the truth is eventually uncovered, all those guards would still be dead, having died performing their duty and many, if not all of them legitimately believing they were in pursuit of guilty criminals. Given that flight was a viable alternative, why would the WoL choose to murder innocent soldiers performing their duty?

[Erendis]

And that's why I do not agree that WoL is like Zenos.

[Bhearil]

In that particular case, I strongly felt that the WoL was voluntarily going along with the arrest. In the cutscene where the WoL was taken, there was no struggle whatsoever, no resistance, so it's not as though the WoL was overpowered. The WoL is innocent and knows it, and plays along to get to the bottom of the mystery. A struggle would have only strengthened the accusation of murder.

There may be instances of "cutscene incompetence", but this, in particular, I don't think is one of them.

Later on, when the WoL flees with the rest of the Scions might be a better example. Why flee, when the WoL could simply wipe out the pursuing forces? Again, though the WoL is innocent of the crime, and presuming that the truth is eventually uncovered, all those guards would still be dead, having died performing their duty and many, if not all of them legitimately believing they were in pursuit of guilty criminals. Given that flight was a viable alternative, why would the WoL choose to murder innocent soldiers performing their duty?

Problem is that unless the Wol is stupid its obvious that it was set up as a scapegoat considering the Wol had to leave his/her weapons before the chat with the Sultana (not counting the hints here and there that something was amiss between the Crystal Braves), and just a few seconds after the Sultana "dies" a contingent of soldiers appear and instantly is accused as the poisoner culprit to eliminate loose ends. If it werent for plot armor the Wol would have executed shortly after without any kind of defence and his or her body ditched into a nameless grave. They werent going to jail the Wol they were going to straight execute him/her as soon as possible before the public or anyone influential could dig in the situation.

No one said to straight up murder the guards, but to knock them out shouldnt be such an impossible feat. To let them capture him/her was almost suicide on that situation, they werent looking for the true culprit the Wol WAS the culprit, and only punishment awaited (capital one due to regicide plus they wanted to eliminate the political threat the Wol had become do to their "hero" status and afiliation with the Sultana's cause).

[Frizze]

Problem is that unless the Wol is stupid its obvious that it was set up as a scapegoat considering the Wol had to leave his/her weapons before the chat with the Sultana (not counting the hints here and there that something was amiss between the Crystal Braves), and just a few seconds after the Sultana "dies" a contingent of soldiers appear and instantly is accused as the poisoner culprit to eliminate loose ends. If it werent for plot armor the Wol would have executed shortly after without any kind of defence and his or her body ditched into a nameless grave. They werent going to jail the Wol they were going to straight execute him/her as soon as possible before the public or anyone influential could dig in the situation.

No one said to straight up murder the guards, but to knock them out shouldnt be such an impossible feat. To let them capture him/her was almost suicide on that situation, they werent looking for the true culprit the Wol WAS the culprit, and only punishment awaited (capital one due to regicide plus they wanted to eliminate the political threat the Wol had become do to their "hero" status and afiliation with the Sultana's cause).

That(execution with no trial) might have been Teledji's plan for us. However, Teledji wasnt actually in control of the situation. Lolorito sniffed out what was going on, and took control behind the scenes to get his preferred outcome. Teledji's deadly poison was substituted with a sleeping potion. Lolo thought we would go along quietly, the evidence would show that no murder took place, and Teledji would take the blame for everything - a rival and clumsy schemer removed from the syndicate(along with enough evidence for the sultana to see that her plan wouldnt work). Of course, WE have no way of knowing all that at the time so our escape also makes perfect sense in the moment.

[Bhearil]

I knew that everything worked out in the end, but that scene reeked of plot induced stupidity and badass decay. The fact that Lolorito outplayed Teledji was only known a while after.

He let Teledji plans go along because removing the Sultana aligned with their interests since she intended to destroy the Monetarist power structure, but the "bad guy" was Teledji, while Lolorito was standing aside in theory

Lolorito was playing a "heads i win tails you lose" kind of game. If Teledji succeeded he had ways to get rid of him later, if he failed, he had already covered himself and made like it was a plan conducted by Tejedji alone without any other Monetarist involvement, but that was something that remained hidden until the very end and the Wol surrendering twist was based on that he/she would be saved somewhat for "reasons" (aka the MC cant die so we gotta pull him/her out of danger).

The Scions might have been kept alive due to their personal talents (Thancred for example would be VERY interesting to recruit being the Scions Ace besides the Wol) but the Wol had started to have too much sway on Eorzea due to being the Hero who defended Eorzea from both inside and outside threats, plus it was clearly aligned with the Sultana so he/she would need to go and safest way was "eliminate the problem". Notice the fact that despite Teledji was already dead, Lolorito had still the Scions and the Wol as wanted people until the Sultana was back and they were exonerated by then, only because the situation changed to his favor that Lolorito "spared" them and the Sultana

[Alleo]

Later on, when the WoL flees with the rest of the Scions might be a better example. Why flee, when the WoL could simply wipe out the pursuing forces? Again, though the WoL is innocent of the crime, and presuming that the truth is eventually uncovered, all those guards would still be dead, having died performing their duty and many, if not all of them legitimately believing they were in pursuit of guilty criminals. Given that flight was a viable alternative, why would the WoL choose to murder innocent soldiers performing their duty?

Why would we have to murder them? Just knocking them out would have solved the problem, especially when most of the scion then took their "last stand". Anyways the strangest thing is how we still somehow got our weapon back.

[LineageRazor]

If it was so easy to "just knock out" a bunch of guards, there would be a whole lot less dead Garlean soldiers in the world. Why kill them, when we can just knock them out, especially knowing that most of them are conscripts who are just fighting to keep their families at home from being executed? Incapacitating without killing isn't that easy to do, especially when you're outnumbered. It's an overplayed and unrealistic trope in movies - and I'm not sure that it's ever been executed in this game, by the WoL or by anyone else. The only instance that comes to mind, at the moment, is when the WoL was knocked out with a drugged beverage, and that's really not the same thing. Are there other instances in-game where the WoL, or anyone else, has shown the ability to punch someone unconscious without killing them? An instance where they punch to kill, but the punchee manages to live anyway doesn't count (not that I can think of any instances like that, either).

The WoL and the Scions kept the option for violence in reserve until there was really no alternative, and then applied the minimum amount of violence necessary to escape Ul'dah - even placing their own lives at risk to do so. They did this because they knew their pursuers were pawns in a greater scheme. While there are other occasions where the WoL is dumb in cutscenes, I don't consider this particular instance to be one of them.

[Jandor]

Incapacitating without killing isn't that easy to do, especially when you're outnumbered. It's an overplayed and unrealistic trope in movies - and I'm not sure that it's ever been executed in this game, by the WoL or by anyone else.

WoL: Uh... Kupo?

Thancred: ...That will seem a lot less amusing when we are forced to kill them.

I remember when I first watched that scene, I did think it was interesting that Thancred said kill instead of fight or something.

[Vyrerus]

We do pretty much kill people when we fight. As I remember it the RDM 80 quest has a group of 4 Ala Mhigan bandits split up. Two try to kill the WoL and two try to kill X'ruhn and uhm errr Oh jee I've forgotten her name.

Anyway, the WOL kills the two that attack them. X'ruhn and the midlander girl tied theirs up.

[YianKutku]

We do pretty much kill people when we fight. As I remember it the RDM 80 quest has a group of 4 Ala Mhigan bandits split up. Two try to kill the WoL and two try to kill X'ruhn and uhm errr Oh jee I've forgotten her name.

Anyway, the WOL kills the two that attack them. X'ruhn and the midlander girl tied theirs up.

When we're ambushed by the miners at Mount Biran Mines, we do KO the (unnamed) one we're assigned to counter-ambush. When the misunderstanding is resolved, Thaffe asks what happened to their compatriot, and you're implied to have answered that he'll probably be fine. Given Jeryk and Thaffe don't bring it up after that, presumably he was indeed fine, if bruised.

In other words, whether we kill, knock out, heavily injure, or just knock about a bit our opponents is entirely dependent on what the plot requires at the given moment.

EDIT: I think a good general guide (with exceptions) is whether the fight is to the death or to submission.

The miners at Mount Biran don't want (or rather, intend) to kill us, but just "arrest" us. In most of the matches where we leave our opponent alive, our opponent also just wants to make us surrender or concede defeat or just go away, or it's basically a sparring match (eg with the Scions during training). If our opponent wants to actually kill us, then we're more likely to kill them.

Of course, the exceptions to exist, although the ones which come to mind at the moment are when we're in favour of mercy. The Temple Knights who attack us at the beginning of the 50-60 DRK questline were fully intending to kill us, but we left them alive. (Sidurgu went behind our backs and killed them, as a "lesson".) And if the enemy is possessed (Surito at the end of the SCH 30-50 questline, Estinien at the end of the 30-50 questline), we also attack to subdue rather than kill.

So it's entirely possible for the WoL to non-lethally subdue their opponents. Again, the difference is plot convenience.