FF14 devs just keep doing your thing because my god

[KenXSSS]

Yeesh. Like others have already mentioned this is pretty much a CJ hate thread on WoW and maybe Blizz. "I played WoW for 10+ years", well buddy, you're not special, I played WoW for 15+ years, started in vanilla beta, there are literally millions of us. I am by no means a Blizz fanboy, but this thread is pretty much borne of pure sentiment/resentment rather than any objective standards.

Things that FFXIV has:
- Better Story
- Better Crafting/Job System
- Friendlier Community
- Better Player Housing (better than garrisons, so not a high bar)
- Better PVE content overall
- Better Graphics/Player models

Things that WoW has:
- Better Transmog System/Banking/Inventory System
- Better PVP
- Trade Chat
- Better Leveling
- Larger Community, albeit more toxic
- Larger Endgame Community
- In-Game Store that actually works and accepts your payments
- Better Add-ons
- Feels like an MMO

At the end of the day, they're both tab-target games designed for casual players, but one's a single-player oriented story game built in the Final Fantasy Universe and the other's an MMO. It's not a fair comparison.

[Reap00]

Yeesh. Like others have already mentioned this is pretty much a CJ hate thread on WoW and maybe Blizz. "I played WoW for 10+ years", well buddy, you're not special, I played WoW for 15+ years, started in vanilla beta, there are literally millions of us. I am by no means a Blizz fanboy, but this thread is pretty much borne of pure sentiment/resentment rather than any objective standards.

Things that FFXIV has:
- Better Story
- Better Crafting/Job System
- Friendlier Community
- Better Player Housing (better than garrisons, so not a high bar)
- Better PVE content overall
- Better Graphics/Player models

Things that WoW has:
- Better Transmog System/Banking/Inventory System
- Better PVP
- Trade Chat
- Better Leveling
- Larger Community, albeit more toxic
- Larger Endgame Community
- In-Game Store that actually works and accepts your payments
- Better Add-ons
- Feels like an MMO

At the end of the day, they're both tab-target games designed for casual players, but one's a single-player oriented story game built in the Final Fantasy Universe and the other's an MMO. It's not a fair comparison.

I don't agree with you. It is a fair comparison. The actual premise of the OP is highlighting the differences between one dev team and the other. The XIV dev team has fire and passion for their game. The WoW dev team has zero passion for their game and you can see it in their eyes and demeanor whenever they talk about their game. Their lawyer front man can't talk his way out of this one. It is written all over his face. I also believe this issue would be much more apparent if Blizzard did live events. They do not. They hide behind pre recorded events and STILL can't manage to appear interested in their product.

[KenXSSS]

I don't agree with you. It is a fair comparison. The actual premise of the OP is highlighting the differences between one dev team and the other. The XIV dev team has fire and passion for their game. The WoW dev team has zero passion for their game and you can see it in their eyes and demeanor whenever they talk about their game. Their lawyer front man can't talk his way out of this one. It is written all over his face. I also believe this issue would be much more apparent if Blizzard did live events. They do not. They hide behind pre recorded events and STILL can't manage to appear interested in their product.

Unless you've shaken the hand of every of software engineer on both teams, your argument is invalid. You are judging a team of 100+ hard-working software engineers based on the appearance of a few key lead individuals and their marketing team.

Are we calling XIV a single-player oriented game and saying that it's not a MMO am I reading this right?

No, it's an MMO, but it's a Single-Player Story-based Game first, and then a MMO second. WoW has always been MMO-first, story second. They both aim to achieve different Game Design goals and have different focuses and appeal to different player-bases.

Yeah, they’ve ascended to the highest plane of gcbtw: the “ffxiv is a visual novel” plane.

Sorry it’s def an mmo.

^ This guy is just a forum troll

[ZedxKayn]

No, it's an MMO, but it's a Single-Player Story-based Game first, and then a MMO second. WoW has always been MMO-first, story second. They both aim to achieve different Game Design goals and have different focuses and appeal to different player-bases.

According to who? The GCBTW? Sure the devs put a great amount of importance to the story but it's one of the many, many things the game has to offer. MMOs are inherently not single player, you CANNOT play XIV's story as a single player game simply because you need to use DF.

Do you know what an MMO is? A game isn't either an MMO first or MMO second, it's either an MMO or it's not.

[KenXSSS]

According to who? The GCBTW? Sure the devs put a great amount of importance to the story but it's one of the many, many things the game has to offer. MMOs are inherently not single player, you CANNOT play XIV's story as a single player game simply because you need to use DF.

Do you know what an MMO is? A game isn't either an MMO first or MMO second, it's either an MMO or it's not.

Fine. Then FFXIV isn't an MMO, it's a single-player campaign with Instanced Content you can play with other players. Like Genshin Impact or Dungeon Fighter Online. I don't really see your point.

[ZedxKayn]

Fine. Then FFXIV isn't an MMO, it's a single-player campaign with Instanced Content you can play with other players. Like Genshin Impact or Dungeon Fighter Online. I don't really see your point.

XIV is a MMO whether you like it or not lmao

You compared WoW and XIV in a way that implied that, in contrast to WoW, XIV is not a MMO, which is blatantly false, then that XIV is story first MMO second which is a terrible excuse people use to justify their lack of care towards how they treat other players in the game.

It is BOTH a FF game AND a theme park MMORPG, not one before the other. Saying that it's "story first" is incredibly dismissive of everything else the devs put work towards, especially battle content which is pretty extensive. The story is just some of the massive amount of CONTENT offered by the game whereas MMORPG is the genre the game falls into.

[KenXSSS]

XIV is a MMO whether you like it or not lmao

You compared WoW and XIV in a way that implied that, in contrast to WoW, XIV is not a MMO, which is blatantly false, then that XIV is story first MMO second which is a terrible excuse people use to justify their lack of care towards how they treat other players in the game.

It is BOTH a FF game AND a theme park MMORPG, not one before the other. Saying that it's "story first" is incredibly dismissive of everything else the devs put work towards, especially battle content which is pretty extensive. The story is just some of the massive amount of CONTENT offered by the game whereas MMORPG is the genre the game falls into.

If you wanted a serious discussion, you would not be using an alt.

And here you reveal to everybody that you haven't played modern World of Warcraft. Modern WoW is more of a single player game than FFXIV, considering you can play the entire game solo without ever having to play with other people. At least FFXIV has compulsory dungeoning, WoW doesn't even have that. It's a single player game without a story.

Now Classic WoW was definitely a multiplayer game but modern WoW has long since abandoned those game designs.

EDIT: And you have played modern WoW then your post is just deceptive. Why is a game that you can play solo, don't have to dungeon, don't have to raid, and don't have to interact with anybody at all EVER designed as an MMO first?

Also while WoW has a more convenient transmog SYSTEM, the transmog options are severely lacking. Not only is there a lack of variety, half the options look painted on and half are very low resolution and can be jarring when mixing and matching. Transmog/Glamour is something I convincingly give to FFXIV hands down considering Blizzard obviously doesn't care about transmog options.

I have 5 level 60's in SL, I think the one who hasn't played WoW is you. You can get 1-60 in Classic via Solo Mage Grinding or even questing solo and you can skip Raiding early on with green drops and crafting. In Modern you can 1-60 with Solo Questing, I don't see your point bruh

[Reap00]

Unless you've shaken the hand of every of software engineer on both teams, your argument is invalid. You are judging a team of 100+ hard-working software engineers based on the appearance of a few key lead individuals and their marketing team.



No, it's an MMO, but it's a Single-Player Story-based Game first, and then a MMO second. WoW has always been MMO-first, story second. They both aim to achieve different Game Design goals and have different focuses and appeal to different player-bases.



^ This guy is just a forum troll

Thanks for the laughs man. My "argument" is based on the appearance of the people that are running that sinking ship and as a result is 100% valid.

[Rae88]

No, it's an MMO, but it's a Single-Player Story-based Game first, and then a MMO second. WoW has always been MMO-first, story second. They both aim to achieve different Game Design goals and have different focuses and appeal to different player-bases.

And here you reveal to everybody that you haven't played modern World of Warcraft. Modern WoW is more of a single player game than FFXIV, considering you can play the entire game solo without ever having to play with other people. At least FFXIV has compulsory dungeoning, WoW doesn't even have that. It's a single player game without a story.

Now Classic WoW was definitely a multiplayer game but modern WoW has long since abandoned those game designs.

EDIT: And you have played modern WoW then your post is just deceptive. Why is a game that you can play solo, don't have to dungeon, don't have to raid, and don't have to interact with anybody at all EVER designed as an MMO first?

Also while WoW has a more convenient transmog SYSTEM, the transmog options are severely lacking. Not only is there a lack of variety, half the options look painted on and half are very low resolution and can be jarring when mixing and matching. Transmog/Glamour is something I convincingly give to FFXIV hands down considering Blizzard obviously doesn't care about transmog options.

[ZedxKayn]

At the end of the day, they're both tab-target games designed for casual players, but one's a single-player oriented story game built in the Final Fantasy Universe and the other's an MMO. It's not a fair comparison.

Are we calling XIV a single-player oriented game and saying that it's not a MMO am I reading this right?