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  1. #71
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier View Post
    Do you think the Solus clones that Emet had created for spare bodies that were mentioned near the end of Stormblood will play any role? I don't think anything has come of that yet.
    I'd like it if somehow Varis found his way into one. Maybe he performed the artificial Echo-ization experiments on himself off-screen.
    If we're lucky, he'll be the primary villain of the Pandaemonium raid to give him proper closure, and because he always gave off the air of Emperor Mateus to me.
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    I gather the feeling that Memoria Miseria was their way of giving us a Varis fight.
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    Y'know, it would be pretty funny if all this "Zenos is the big bad of the expansion!" stuff was a smokescreen for Varis coming out of nowhere, Emperor of Hell and Heaven style. Whether it be kicking his own son out of finale or being the/one of the driving forces behind the plot of Pandaemonium, I think it could work.

    That said, I really hope they don't "speedrun" Zodiark and Hydaelyn out of the story. There's still a lot of questions that need to be asked, let alone answered, about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
    Y'know, it would be pretty funny if all this "Zenos is the big bad of the expansion!" stuff was a smokescreen for Varis coming out of nowhere, Emperor of Hell and Heaven style. Whether it be kicking his own son out of finale or being the/one of the driving forces behind the plot of Pandaemonium, I think it could work.

    That said, I really hope they don't "speedrun" Zodiark and Hydaelyn out of the story. There's still a lot of questions that need to be asked, let alone answered, about them.
    Considering 6.0 will be the finale of Season 1 storyline and 6.1 the beginning of the new Season 2 storyline, I suspect any unresolved story about Zodiark and Hydaelyn maybe moved to a side storyline. Pandaemonium raid seem to be one of those side storylines that will continue to resolve any remaining lore between Zodiark and Hydaelyn conflict left unfinished in Season 2 era.


    Though for me, the big question is how will the story transfer WoL from Season 1 finale in 6.0 to Season 2 beginning in 6.1 since Season 2 is meant to be a new story separated from the Zodiark and Hydaelyn storyline. This will mean they willl have to cover a lot of things in 6.0 MSQ near the end such as what became of each Scions now their long mission is over and even how WoL will start his/her new beginning before 6.1.

    However, a part of me fears to achieve this they may have the "reset the world so Ascian never existed" scenario like certain fantasy stories goes with that cause everyone to forget the WoL because the Ascians never existed and the History of the planet is alted to a point characters ended up living different lives. Yet, this route may provide a full circle ending by having the WoL seen walking down the road before being picked up by a carriage leading to Gridania or Ul'dah or getting on a ship to Limsa (based on which starting city the player had in 2.0 MSQ) and meet the Merchant from their intro once again. Thus WoL begins his/her journey in Season 2 the same way in Season 1 beginning, on a carriage or ship to their starting city to begin a new adventure.
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    Last edited by EdwinLi; 02-23-2021 at 02:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier View Post
    Do you think the Solus clones that Emet had created for spare bodies that were mentioned near the end of Stormblood will play any role? I don't think anything has come of that yet.
    I'd like it if somehow Varis found his way into one. Maybe he performed the artificial Echo-ization experiments on himself off-screen.
    I was pretty sure they were all disposed of, since Gaius found them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier View Post
    Do you think the Solus clones that Emet had created for spare bodies that were mentioned near the end of Stormblood will play any role? I don't think anything has come of that yet.
    I'd like it if somehow Varis found his way into one. Maybe he performed the artificial Echo-ization experiments on himself off-screen.
    Varis: "What about me displeases you so, Grandfather?"

    Solus: "Your body."

    fast-forward

    Varis, now in a Solus clone: "... and I took that personally."
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier View Post
    Do you think the Solus clones that Emet had created for spare bodies that were mentioned near the end of Stormblood will play any role?
    I think Fandaniel will body-hop into a few of them purely to kill himself while in the body as a joke.
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  8. #78
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    Considering 6.0 will be the finale of Season 1 storyline and 6.1 the beginning of the new Season 2 storyline, I suspect any unresolved story about Zodiark and Hydaelyn maybe moved to a side storyline. Pandaemonium raid seem to be one of those side storylines that will continue to resolve any remaining lore between Zodiark and Hydaelyn conflict left unfinished in Season 2 era.


    Though for me, the big question is how will the story transfer WoL from Season 1 finale in 6.0 to Season 2 beginning in 6.1 since Season 2 is meant to be a new story separated from the Zodiark and Hydaelyn storyline. This will mean they willl have to cover a lot of things in 6.0 MSQ near the end such as what became of each Scions now their long mission is over and even how WoL will start his/her new beginning before 6.1.

    However, a part of me fears to achieve this they may have the "reset the world so Ascian never existed" scenario like certain fantasy stories goes with that cause everyone to forget the WoL because the Ascians never existed and the History of the planet is alted to a point characters ended up living different lives. Yet, this route may provide a full circle ending by having the WoL seen walking down the road before being picked up by a carriage leading to Gridania or Ul'dah or getting on a ship to Limsa (based on which starting city the player had in 2.0 MSQ) and meet the Merchant from their intro once again. Thus WoL begins his/her journey in Season 2 the same way in Season 1 beginning, on a carriage or ship to their starting city to begin a new adventure.
    There's always the other option, the Time Skip option. If it's to be used, I suspect it'll be done either through us being pulled out of the Lifestream ala Y'shtola's many fun times (meaning we've been out of commission a while), or another "sent into the near future" type deals.
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    Last edited by RyuDragnier; 02-23-2021 at 10:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    Considering 6.0 will be the finale of Season 1 storyline and 6.1 the beginning of the new Season 2 storyline, I suspect any unresolved story about Zodiark and Hydaelyn maybe moved to a side storyline. Pandaemonium raid seem to be one of those side storylines that will continue to resolve any remaining lore between Zodiark and Hydaelyn conflict left unfinished in Season 2 era.


    Though for me, the big question is how will the story transfer WoL from Season 1 finale in 6.0 to Season 2 beginning in 6.1 since Season 2 is meant to be a new story separated from the Zodiark and Hydaelyn storyline. This will mean they willl have to cover a lot of things in 6.0 MSQ near the end such as what became of each Scions now their long mission is over and even how WoL will start his/her new beginning before 6.1.

    However, a part of me fears to achieve this they may have the "reset the world so Ascian never existed" scenario like certain fantasy stories goes with that cause everyone to forget the WoL because the Ascians never existed and the History of the planet is alted to a point characters ended up living different lives. Yet, this route may provide a full circle ending by having the WoL seen walking down the road before being picked up by a carriage leading to Gridania or Ul'dah or getting on a ship to Limsa (based on which starting city the player had in 2.0 MSQ) and meet the Merchant from their intro once again. Thus WoL begins his/her journey in Season 2 the same way in Season 1 beginning, on a carriage or ship to their starting city to begin a new adventure.
    I would assume there will be another adventure to be had at the beginning of 6.1. They have 5 patches to build up to another expansion worthy story. I'd assume some characters may be pushed into retirement to open the stage for new main players. But a new villain will manifest by 6.4 and I'm sure there will be a simple mystery or loose end that turns out to be more complicated then we can imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kesey View Post
    I would assume there will be another adventure to be had at the beginning of 6.1. They have 5 patches to build up to another expansion worthy story. I'd assume some characters may be pushed into retirement to open the stage for new main players. But a new villain will manifest by 6.4 and I'm sure there will be a simple mystery or loose end that turns out to be more complicated then we can imagine.
    As I said in the comment, it is already confirmed 6.1 will be a the beginning of a completely new adventure, being the Season 2 storyline, that will be separated from Zodiark and Hydaelyn storyline so that is not in question. The part I am questioning is how will that tansition be achieved with such a short amount of time in the storyline since the story is meant to end Season 1 in 6.0 MSQ right there (normally we end a major story in the X.3 MSQ) and then transition right into Season 2 storyline 6.1 MSQ which will be a completely new storyline with no relation to the Zodiark and Hydaelyn conflict.

    We normally have atleast 2.5 patches of MSQ to transition from one expansion storyline, after the X.3 MSQ, to the next but this time Yoshi-P and the developers are packing it all into 6.0 and having 6.1 be the very beginning of a new adventure in Season 2.

    Either way, 6.0 maybe the largest MSQ expansion if they are going to pack all that stuff into 6.0 MSQ to give it a proper finale for Season 1 and a proper transition from Season 1 into Season 2 as well.
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    Last edited by EdwinLi; 02-24-2021 at 12:17 AM.

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