Alliance raids have no business being a relic step.

[Reinha]

I still think they should have made 2 alternative methods to getting the final relic. No quest requirements at all to enter Bozja and the ability to farm all items outside it, but also no requirements to farm fates or raids outside of Bozja. People should be able to pick what they like to do the way were able to during light stages and tomestone farming stages. They should have put Vexatious and Haunting Memories on the Bozjan Cluster vendor or lockboxes in addition to them being obtainable from alliance raids and SB fates.

[Tint]

A few hours you say?

The step this patch alone takes roughly 30 hours per relic.

If a sh!t sandwich was par for the course, you'd just expect it and accept it?

Bad design is bad design and deserves to be respectfully called out and criticized.

And I think the savage raids are too hard and they should make it easier for me to get the raid weapons /sarcasm


The relic is meant to be grind heavy but easy to get, just like the savage raids are meant to be difficult. If you want a weapon from challenging content we already have extreme trials, savage raids and - if SE would not mess up - ultimate raids.
And for people who neither want the challenge nor the grind we have tomestone weapons and crafted weapons.

I like mindless grinding. I have a lot of free time and it has to be filled. Please don't take it away from me, just like I don't want to take away the content from the raid community. I am glad the grind takes longer this time, the steps before were a disappointment.

[Iscah]

Clearly spending all your time outdoors has robbed you of learning about pop culture. Never heard of these guys?

Fraggle Rock is gorgeous and underrated and trolls probably can't stomach it.

I'm not sure it counts as pop culture at this stage in a "recognising secondary characters despite not watching it" way, though. At least I didn't know anything about it prior to belatedly discovering it a few years ago. Maybe familiarity varies by country.

[spf1200]

A few hours you say?

The step this patch alone takes roughly 30 hours per relic.

If a sh!t sandwich was par for the course, you'd just expect it and accept it?

Bad design is bad design and deserves to be respectfully called out and criticized.

30 hrs isn't that long for a relic grind. This is supposed to take a long time since the weapon is an alternative to the Extreme weapons.

[Deceptus]

30 hrs isn't that long for a relic grind. This is supposed to take a long time since the weapon is an alternative to the Extreme weapons.

It is when you consider that 30 hours is for one step of each of the 17 relics you can potentially do. And that is not including any of the previous steps. And we still have another to go.

Or you could spend 4 hours of game time over 2 weeks and just get a tome weapon.

Or you spend 80K gil on a 510 HQ Exarchic weapon (I bought 3 yesterday). That's essentially vendor price.

Again: Reward isn't worth time invested when other options are MUCH easier

[Awha]

I don't really understand why people feel the need to hide behind their alts. Personally, I have nothing to hide, and I have no problem presenting my opinions for the forums to see. If someone really has an issue with something I said, here I am. lol

Personally I post on an alt nor because I do not stand by my words. Just wish to keep what I say on the forums on t ghe forums

[ForteNightshade]

And I think the savage raids are too hard and they should make it easier for me to get the raid weapons /sarcasm


The relic is meant to be grind heavy but easy to get, just like the savage raids are meant to be difficult. If you want a weapon from challenging content we already have extreme trials, savage raids and - if SE would not mess up - ultimate raids.
And for people who neither want the challenge nor the grind we have tomestone weapons and crafted weapons.

I like mindless grinding. I have a lot of free time and it has to be filled. Please don't take it away from me, just like I don't want to take away the content from the raid community. I am glad the grind takes longer this time, the steps before were a disappointment.

I, too, like grindy content from time to time. Gives me something to throw my time at, though I'm loathe to ever look at CT again. The crux of Deceptus' point isn't entirely the grind but the relic themselves. They aren't wrong to say these weapons are effectively junk until the very last step. As of right now, you put in substantially more work a weapon slightly better than Emerald and completely inferior to a tome weapon. That does sort of undercut the investment, especially since we're likely going to see two additional steps since I doubt they jump it all the way to i535 otherwise Diamond weapon servers no purpose. Granted, I think they should because people care far more about mounts than weapons from EX Primals.

[Enla]

Personally I post on an alt nor because I do not stand by my words. Just wish to keep what I say on the forums on t ghe forums

Sadly a necessity these days...

[Kuroka]

The relic is meant to be grind heavy but easy to get, just like the savage raids are meant to be difficult. If you want a weapon from challenging content we already have extreme trials, savage raids and - if SE would not mess up - ultimate raids.
And for people who neither want the challenge nor the grind we have tomestone weapons and crafted weapons.

Yes, 100% agree, but then the relic would need a higher ilvl and higher stats, which it doesnt have, so its basically the same as the ex primal/crafted/tome weapons. In 30 hours id learn every ex trial and kill it at least 10x for my weapon lol

[Malia_Chan]

I just finished my Bard "relic" Resistance Weapon last night. It was the most fun had in years. The Alliance raids were not a problem since its old content. As a Bard, my que times were mostly short. I was able to Desynth all gear i obtained. The reason i enjoyed it was because it actually game me something to do that wasn't stressful. Even the Alliance raid in Borja was enjoyable. Sure i died alot but i had fun because it was such a unique raid. Especially the second to last boss. I enjoyed doing this "relic" more then the ARR, HW, and STB ones. People on these forums complain about the most silly things.