Alliance raids have no business being a relic step.

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[Starshower]

I think it's way too boring to keep repeating alliance raids this amount of times. Thankfully we can do them on blue mage now which speeds it up somewhat.



This new patch made doing castrum better than syrcus tower, and for the second step of this patch, doing fates actually became better than doing rabanastre and void ark, so it's less alliance raids, which is good. However, if they have to use this type of content, I think they should use shadowbringers fates and nier raids. Hopefully on the next step, if they really need to push this content for the relic, they'll use the shb ones. Farming shb fates will even be productive because you get bicolor gemstones and get progress on your zone completion.

[van_arn]

I think it's way too boring to keep repeating alliance raids this amount of times. Thankfully we can do them on blue mage now which speeds it up somewhat.



This new patch made doing castrum better than syrcus tower, and for the second step of this patch, doing fates actually became better than doing rabanastre and void ark, so it's less alliance raids, which is good. However, if they have to use this type of content, I think they should use shadowbringers fates and nier raids. Hopefully on the next step, if they really need to push this content for the relic, they'll use the shb ones. Farming shb fates will even be productive because you get bicolor gemstones and get progress on your zone completion.

I wouldn't be shocked if the SHB instances are used in relic, but keep in mind the coin drops become more important than ever in 5.5.

[Deceptus]

Back on topic.

The question is, at least for the final step (this tier) and the Delubrum Reginae raid, assuming that the raid takes on average 45 minutes to 1 hour to complete:

Is 11.5 hours - 15 hours a reasonable amount of game time for the last step of this relic tier?

IMHO in todays MMO market, that is simply unreasonable. Especially when you consider there is STILL another step in the relic.

This is clearly nothing more than padding game time and it's disrespectful of the players.

Even more so when you realize that the alternatives are much easier. If you did Expert Roulette every day (20min) for 12 days you can get a better weapon in 4 hours of game time. That's 75% less time invested for a better weapon.

This has been the most criticized part of Bozja since it's inception: The rewards simply aren't worth the time invested.

[Vickii]

This relic is trash if we’re honest. It’s more indicative of having no life than of any ability in the game. While all relics are just a no life symbol now, at the time they were current they all had their challenges.

ARR - complete extreme trials, obtain high end crafting items requiring an Omni crafter and/or lots of Gil

HW - complete current extreme trials and obtain high end currency

SB - grind through pre-nerf Eureka

This? AFK in old alliance raids pretty much. Only instance on the list that has any chance of failing is palace of the dead and you can skip it.

When something is so easy that everyone does it it’s not special. When everyone has every single one, it’s trash and not worthy of being a relic.

Perhaps this is the new direction for these weapons going forward, in which they really lose their prestige to me. I’ll stick to E12S.

[Malia_Chan]

Let's be real here, the Shadowbringers relic questline is an extension of the Blades of Gunnhildr story, it's the story of Bozja's liberation, and a core part of one of the few major sub-plots in ShB.
There's no excuse for making it so that the only way to progress is to do alliance raids from already completed stories. Even worse is choosing alliance raids that have generally had an extremely poor reception; Crystal tower has trouble filling to this day unless you're doing a PF for BLU, and the Mhach and Ivalice raids were so dead that people were struggling to get access to bozja in the first place because people would rather strip off their jewelery than risk getting a Heavensward or Stormblood alliance raid.

The decision was made that it was important to the development team that they prop up dead content by making it the only effective way of progressing. (good luck convincing anyone that you did Stormblood FATEs for 35 hours to progress past the roadblock in the current relic tier, we all know you did the Alliance raids like an obedient little WoL). It's been shown time and again that someone high up in the FF14 team has some kinda boner for 24-person content, and that we're never going to be free of it until we, as a community, decide to not run it at all. The only way to win is to not play, to make the metrics on Alliance Raids so terrible that SE decides they're not worth the development time.

Your whole argument is silly. Alliance raids are easy.

[spf1200]

So you've never done a relic before have you? This is par for the course and most of us expect it and accept it. It only take a few hours anyway with is much better than past relics

[Deceptus]

So you've never done a relic before have you? This is par for the course and most of us expect it and accept it. It only take a few hours anyway with is much better than past relics

A few hours you say?

The step this patch alone takes roughly 30 hours per relic.

If a sh!t sandwich was par for the course, you'd just expect it and accept it?

Bad design is bad design and deserves to be respectfully called out and criticized.

[Amnmaat]

If people want a quick high level weapon they do Emerald Weapon (Extreme)
Relics have always been a grind, its main design is that it's supposed to take you weeks to a month to get.

It's been almost 2 years since FFXIV has had lengthy content. This is the best and funnest time I've had in this game since Heavensward.

[wereotter]

Back on topic.

The question is, at least for the final step (this tier) and the Delubrum Reginae raid, assuming that the raid takes on average 45 minutes to 1 hour to complete:

Is 11.5 hours - 15 hours a reasonable amount of game time for the last step of this relic tier?

IMHO in todays MMO market, that is simply unreasonable. Especially when you consider there is STILL another step in the relic.

This is clearly nothing more than padding game time and it's disrespectful of the players.

Even more so when you realize that the alternatives are much easier. If you did Expert Roulette every day (20min) for 12 days you can get a better weapon in 4 hours of game time. That's 75% less time invested for a better weapon.

This has been the most criticized part of Bozja since it's inception: The rewards simply aren't worth the time invested.

You made another post which this and the other reminded me of the one complaint I have with this relic compared to the Anima weapon...

I really appreciated that almost every step gave you the option to purchase the materials needed with tomestones. I would have liked to have seen the memories and pottery pieces you needed to advance the weapon being made available for purchase with Allegory tomestones. Would keep the level 80 roulette more relevant. It's something that I noticed both in Stormblood and now that the level 70 roulette then and the level 80 roulette now have zero purpose to running. But if you could buy relic items with allegory tomestones, then that would be a once-a-day good way of getting a bunch of them.