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[Novae]

Yea, sure, great idea. And how do you force people to use essences they don't have/ can't easily farm? I ran out of Deep and normal Essences of the Aetherweaver way before my 15th run.

[Packetdancer]

Yea, sure, great idea. And how do you force people to use essences they don't have/ can't easily farm? I ran out of Deep and normal Essences of the Aetherweaver way before my 15th run.

I understand the "x99 Potions" effect, as people refer to it—the "I can't use a potion now, what if I really need it later?!" effect when you have a finite resource—as it applies to Bozja and Delubrum, and how it keeps people from using essences. I admit, I have sometimes based what I'm playing in Delubrum normal by "what relevant essence do I have the most of, and thus can most readily afford to use" rather than actual role considerations. And the fact that I'm down to 9 Pure Essence of the Divine makes me reaaaaally nervous for Delubrum savage come Sunday. (Since in Savage, a wipe means the instance ends and you have to queue back in—thus you have to put any essences back up after each wipe.)

However, the forgotten fragments are actually not that pricy on the marketboard, at least in my datacenter; I've taken to selling stacks of the ones I know I don't need, and then using the money from those sales to turn around and buy the fragments that give me things I know I do need. So there are ways to get the ones you most need besides just Bozja-grinding for them.

(The fragments for Deep Essences and Pure Essences are, I grant, a bit pricier than the ones for normal Essences. But normal essences should be fine for Delubrum normal.)

[Shougun]

I understand the "x99 Potions" effect, as people refer to it—the "I can't use a potion now, what if I really need it later?!" effect when you have a finite resource—as it applies to Bozja and Delubrum, and how it keeps people from using essences. I admit, I have sometimes based what I'm playing in Delubrum normal by "what relevant essence do I have the most of, and thus can most readily afford to use" rather than actual role considerations. And the fact that I'm down to 9 Pure Essence of the Divine makes me reaaaaally nervous for Delubrum savage come Sunday.

However, the forgotten fragments are actually not that pricy on the marketboard, at least in my datacenter; I've taken to selling stacks of the ones I know I don't need, and then using the money from those sales to turn around and buy the fragments that give me things I know I do need. So there are ways to get the ones you most need besides just Bozja-grinding for them.

(The fragments for Deep Essences and Pure Essences are, I grant, a bit pricier than the ones for normal Essences. But normal essences should be fine for Delubrum normal.)

I know I said it before but I still think the consumable nature significantly impacts those who aren't predisposed for it, and therefore impacts the content as a whole, like not used to using potions and food for your savage / ultimate groups, to the point that simply making the actions of Eureka content either learn-able or restore-able (not simply 'repurchase-able' or 'go out and farm for a while') would improve the quality of runs for the whole content. If it was a slot that extended cooldown but made it infinite charge, or if it was DND wizard mechanics / Estus flask Dark Souls, or if it was a learning mechanic like FFIX or FFVII. Consumables are well and fine for people who are into that (and obviously is the best way to the heart of an economy wheel), but and I know you already get this too, I think the different audiences see that concept entirely differently lol. (As I've seen you talk about different types of players coming to the same content and how they're feuding over relic's place or what have you).


I'm definitely one of those who if it's consumable I will probably not use it. Potion, hi-potion, firework, etc (as long as it's not key to my survival, you best bet I'll throw a phoenix down onto a zombie boss but that's extreme gain to small loss lol). When Diablo 3 first added bottomless potions I was on that farm lol. I love the trinkets and such in WoW for the fact they don't expire on use. Or like if Witcher potions were one and done forever I'd never use them but because they were easily restore-able I'd spend loads of time going to go learn all the recipes (sort of a spell learning mechanic + estus mechanic), and I loved to use them. Conversely Planescape Numenera was all into these one and done charged artifact ideas and it just made me not want to use them because I didn't really want to lose the item. Now sometimes it just is best it does expire and not clog up inventory, there is totally a place for them, but... I'm not sold that skills is the right place for it given the wide variety of players joining into Eureka. Ultimate, sure yeah- go for it.


Or looking at it another way, how often do people save the LB till the last possible second even not using it in places where clearly you'd gain the bar back before the next boss (because they didn't know most likely, you type it in chat and some DD will be like "o rlly?" and use it asap, usually) lol.

[Packetdancer]

I know I said it before but I still think the consumable nature impacts those who aren't predisposed for it (like not used to using potions and food for your savage / ultimate groups) to the point that simply making the actions of Eureka content either learn-able or restore-able would improve the quality of runs for the whole content. If it was a slot that extended cooldown but made it infinite charge, or if it was DND wizard mechanics / Estus flask Dark Souls, or if it was a learning mechanic like FFIX or FFVII. Consumables are well and fine for people who are into that (and obviously is the best way to the heart of an economy wheel), but and I know you already get this too, I think the different audiences see that concept entirely differently lol. (As I've seen you talk about different types of players coming to the same content and how they're feuding over relic's place or what have you).

Oh, definitely. And I agree that for the normal mode stuff, asking people to use essences they may be low on is a bit unfortunate. It's not a showstopper since you can buy the items rather than having to farm them endlessly, but it still presents an obstacle to people really embracing the content; after all, where savage raiders are well-used to spending money (or for crafters, time) to obtain consumables for savage, the average player is decidedly not.

However, I think there's an easy method to handle it: just make essences last across instances.

The lost holster and what you have slotted are already persistent, obviously. Just record your last used essence, and if that essence would still be valid for what you're playing when you queue in, reapply it. Then your Deep Essence of the Aetherweaver you popped in the Southern Front while being a healer is still active when you go into Delubrum as a healer. Similarly, you can persist things like reraisers and Medkits and whatnot from session to session.

That, I think, would take a lot of the sting out of it for people. And Delubrum savage can still be a special case which clears all persistent status effects (like essences and reraisers) when you queue in, so that a wipe really costs like it does now, and presents a limiting factor on progression in there.