Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Roda]

#2 is bound to happen, but I'm good for 4 years of this.
If it ends up at every single meeting for another two years, let it.

Push it so hard, the butt slider requests will seem tame lmao

[Alleo]

What I find comical is the fact that Yoshida said to have high expectations when it came to 6.0. What high expectations? This is a return to a barebones expansion like Stormblood. Maybe this time we get a dungeon every even patch because it's too much, it's been the trend 3 expansions in a row.

I am holding up my expectation until the last fanfest but I fully agree with you. The only aspect that captured my interest was the island sancutary and we barely even got any information on this. I hope that it will be great, I still fear that it will end up being another disappointment.

Other than that what was truly new at the event? Nothing much. New zones, new story..all of that is the basics of the expansion and while its nice to look at or to play through its mostly something for the first run through. I want more information on lasting content...

So to not be completely off topic: I am also a bit sad that the latest question about Viera is another non commitment...another look forward to fanfest thing....awesome. v_v

[Lauront]

6.0 was the last straw for me as far as supporting the addition of male Viera.
This latest interview all but confirms that we're neither getting male Viera nor any sort of character creator update. It's basically a barebones expansion.
The excuse about adding new races is that the more expansions that pass by the more gear they have to refit. Skipping another expansion is a bad sign, using their own reasoning.

The way I see it the missing genders will never be added. It makes no sense to add a new race 2 expansions later. The fact that Viera and Hrothgar have missing genders will have 4 years of it being the standard; I don't see how adding them in 7.0 has a big impact on the game.
It's kinda like world of warcraft, they've been told to change their ways for so long that when they finally did with shadowlands (to an extent) the impact of the change felt late at that point.

If I were you guys I'd focus something else, you're gonna be incredibly disappointed on may 14/15. Those interview statements sound like the ones he gave 2 years ago when he said "I like to think of myself as a contrarian" when they asked him about male Viera. Read into the mood of his answers, walk away while you still can.

While I get that Yoshi's job is partly to build hype, I really don't see why he even bothered to say the "high expectations" thing. It just didn't pan out. Again, barring the PS5 element... to me it's a run of the mill expansion to conclude the story. If you really like the story, maybe the aspects of it they're touching on is what he's getting at... but really it's one of those vague terms you can read anything into, so it hasn't served them too well.

He's essentially said they are considering an engine replacement but that it's a big project and will take time, so a 7.0+ timeframe would be implied in that, if they proceed. I'm somewhat convinced that they will, because they have high ambitions for the game's duration, and even their own team members have been griping about the restrictions the current engine faces. Such an engine replacement could in turn make the addition of the missing genders easier.

I am keeping an open eye on other MMOs, in all honesty. There's no single thing in this one that particularly grips me, so it's just a case of "it's worth a bit more than the sub price to me for the time being, but only barely." The lack of competitors which interest me is really the main issue. If they do take a bolder course, and actually replace the engine, that of course could change my assessment.

[zeylos]

Look, I get it, but consider that they didn't actually have 2 years straight to develop the expansion. After Covid hit, development pretty much halted for 2 months, and even now they're at 90% productivity and probably overworking JUST to get the thing out by Fall. So far we're still missing one FanFest worth of reveals, maybe there'll be a surprise (but likely not, see my post about the interview), or there'll be a buttload of other content that they managed to put out WITHOUT overworking the team to death.

I also want Male Viera, I've advocated for how race/gender combos and CC are the longest lasting content in the game and many other reasons they should be introduced; and if you feel the game isn't worth it without them, all the more power to you; but I don't need them to come NOW at the expense of the rest of the x-pac (and damn I'm actually hyped for Eorzea Valley).

One positive note? Yoshi-P's STILL taking the question. While it's not the answer we WANT to hear, we should really worry when he starts refusing to answer it or instructing media to stop asking it. It means he's still trying to add them.

I understand your point but the awnser was literally 'wait until May FanFest to see'. So many ppl seem to have dismissed the possibility entirely and he was talking about adding new races (likely regarding the 'new things' in the question) while he didnt give a response to the question of the missing genders. All I'm asking for is to get a 'yes, you will get them on 6.0' or 'No, you will not be getting them 6.0, we dont know in the future' instead of 'I dont know' or 'I cant say' or 'We are working hard' or 'Wait to see' or 'It would be hard', like if the response is a 'No', ok, Ill deal with it and put this issue to rest, its just really tiring to have not yet gotten a 'true' tresponse eve nafter 2 years, at which point it is almost sure they do know for sure wether we are getting them or not

[Raikai]

I am holding up my expectation until the last fanfest but I fully agree with you. The only aspect that captured my interest was the island sancutary and we barely even got any information on this. I hope that it will be great, I still fear that it will end up being another disappointment.

Other than that what was truly new at the event? Nothing much. New zones, new story..all of that is the basics of the expansion and while its nice to look at or to play through its mostly something for the first run through. I want more information on lasting content...

So to not be completely off topic: I am also a bit sad that the latest question about Viera is another non commitment...another look forward to fanfest thing....awesome. v_v

Exactly. I remember he mentioning somewhere that we should get hyped for something big... Which to me means either something that the players have high expectation with (Viera males is one example), OR a big system overhaul (like massive spaghetti code improvements, which would affect the game positively in almost every sense).

I don't think in ShB, Viera or Hroth got revealed with the expansion reveal, right? So, to that, I still hold some hope for Fanfest. Maybe the extended trailer will reveal something, because truly, at this point, the only highly anticipated thing that is guaranteed to appear is the second job, and I don't really count it as the "BIG thing" because it's like you said, something kind of "default" to every expansion.

[zeylos]

I was hopeful for news on the may fanfest, but it's pretty clear to me now that we won't get the missing genders this coming expansion. However, I'd expect at least some character creator updates for viera and hrothgar. They said they were working on new hairstyles a long time ago, and it's not like this would take the same effort as adding new races or genders. I don't think they'll be able to wear hats, but at least some new hairstyles? even if just two?


And hrothgars could change their faces on the aesthetician. Buying a fantasia just to chaange hairs is still crazy. They could expand the aesthetician and allow us to change eye color, faces, and other minor plastic surgery for gil, and keep fantasia for changing race and gender. That's the bare minimum of expanded customization, but it still feels like asking for too much somehow.

I have lost any actual hopes I had, but I think its just as unlikely female viera or male hrotgar will see any sort of substantial improvement, likely because 'It would take up so much dev time, please understand' which as much as is a valid excuse, its getting quite tiring to hear it every single time the community asks for something cool.
My bets are placed that sadly there wont be introducing the missing genders or any sort of updates towards female viera or hrotgar for 2-3 more years, at all, and it will be egi-glamour 2.0. Remember when we got promised throught 5.x we would see more egi glamours? Or how housing wasnt gonna have a timer that would force you to keep subscription or lose your house? Well, I think female viera and male hrotgar will go together down that list as well, and perhaps in 6 years they may add a few hats to them. Also, Imnot expecting the missing genders for 6.0 so Imma try to keep them on the back of my mind for 2 more long years, yet I do sadly think they will join the current genders in the 'We would love to, but dev time is a struggle' list.

[zeylos]

While I get that Yoshi's job is partly to build hype, I really don't see why he even bothered to say the "high expectations" thing. It just didn't pan out. Again, barring the PS5 element... to me it's a run of the mill expansion to conclude the story. If you really like the story, maybe the aspects of it they're touching on is what he's getting at... but really it's one of those vague terms you can read anything into, so it hasn't served them too well.

He's essentially said they are considering an engine replacement but that it's a big project and will take time, so a 7.0+ timeframe would be implied in that, if they proceed. I'm somewhat convinced that they will, because they have high ambitions for the game's duration, and even their own team members have been griping about the restrictions the current engine faces. Such an engine replacement could in turn make the addition of the missing genders easier.

I am keeping an open eye on other MMOs, in all honesty. There's no single thing in this one that particularly grips me, so it's just a case of "it's worth a bit more than the sub price to me for the time being, but only barely." The lack of competitors which interest me is really the main issue. If they do take a bolder course, and actually replace the engine, that of course could change my assessment.

imo there really wasnt a 'high expectations fullfieled' announcement. I higly doubt many players were incredibly excited for PS5 which was already a given. 6.0 looks ok, but the trailer honestly didnt blow me away like the first Shadowbringers one did. Sage was cool, but idk, it was just 'cool', it wasnt breathtaking or spectacular in any way. Island feature we know close to nothing about and we only got a picture from, which was imo rather dissapointing. No belts which I dont think anyone cried of happines for. New story as always (Seems Zenos is the villan ) And a few more minor announcements that I cant even recall. The new zones look cool, but thats it. If that are 'high expectations' I really am confused as to what 'reasonable' expectations are, I would say it was a way weaker announcement than I expected (I expected there to at least be 1 element to blow me away) but well, I guess the next expansion will be fun. I am personally looking into blue protocol for late this year or the next which by the sound of it reminds me of a full anime ffxiv without pvp and action combat, so its got me quite excited tbh. Admittedly more than Endwalker

[Yencat]

I understand your point but the awnser was literally 'wait until May FanFest to see'.

It didn't seem that way.

It's more like he's begging players to understand what they're asking for (wrt male Viera/female Hrothgar) is a monstrous undertaking, and while he seems on board they still don't have the resources to do it.

The "as for the remaining elements look forward to May fanfest" seems to be a response to the rest of the question, being anything new for the new races and gender/race locked gear.

But I agree that he should just speak plainly at this point. Not like it matters anyway, they don't always do what they say they will anyway lol

[Amnmaat]

Those thinking female Viera and male Hrothgar will get hats; let me say this to you. There's absolutely nothing you can do with these heads


At best female Viera and male hrothgar should expect 2-5 new hairstyles.
Those of you excusing the refusal to add the missing genders because female Viera and male hrothgar are going to be worked on heavily for Endwalker; you better tamper down expectations by a lot. Thanks YoshiP, we needed a lion race with extreme limitations, while at the same time crippling female Viera; one of the most popular races in the game.

[zeylos]

It didn't seem that way.

It's more like he's begging players to understand what they're asking for (wrt male Viera/female Hrothgar) is a monstrous undertaking, and while he seems on board they still don't have the resources to do it.

The "as for the remaining elements look forward to May fanfest" seems to be a response to the rest of the question, being anything new for the new races and gender/race locked gear.

But I agree that he should just speak plainly at this point. Not like it matters anyway, they don't always do what they say they will anyway lol

Thats what I find most irritating, how you and I can see the statement entirely differently while neither of us has a guarantee it actually means what we think. What I mean by this is that just how hard is it to say 'yes' or 'no' once and for all, I think its likely to upset more players if they keep quiet than if they simply adress the sitation adn they cant (or if theyve been ale to add them which would be absolutely amazing, but I have incredibly lowh opes on the team to add them at this point tbh.)