Yoshi P confirmed they CUT ultimate content from 6.0 not DELAY

[linayar]

To the shock of absolutely no one. Although, this does put to rest the whole argument they're simply delaying Ultimate. Yes, they're delaying this Ultimate while cancelling the one originally slated for 6.1.

What's a little concerning is Yoshida doesn't exactly sound confident regarding even two Ultimates.

Yoshida not sounding confident is proof that Ultimate isn't planned that far in advance. Therefore, there is no particular originally-slated-for-6.1 Ultimate that was cancelled. They focused on making DSW, but it got delayed, and they haven't finalized plans for the next Ultimate. Ultimate is a big enough project to focus one at a time.

And even if they do plan that far in advance, all it means is every Ultimate release date has been shifted. So again, there is no confirmation of any cut Ultimate.

[Absurdity]

And even if they do plan that far in advance, all it means is every Ultimate release date has been shifted. So again, there is no confirmation of any cut Ultimate.

At that point we're really just arguing semantics.

Sure you could say that "no ultimate was cancelled, it's just delayed to 6.1 and then the Ultimate for 6.5 is delayed to 7.1 and the ultimate for 7.5 is delayed to 8.1"...etc

Or we can just admit that they cancelled an ultimate because if we continue to play the delay game then we'll reach the end of XIV's lifespan at some point. Do we really need to wait until they delay the ultimate for 11.5 to 12.1, which will never exist, to admit to the obvious?

It doesn't matter what you think about ultimate, or any "delayed" content for that matter. Love it, hate it, be indifferent about it, I don't care, but let's stop using "it's only delayed" for content that just doesn't get delivered.



Ultimate is content that only very few people do, that's no surprise considering most of XIV's playerbase is not interested in difficult content. But would you make the same excuses if they delayed the 5.5 24man to 6.1 or the new Bozja zone to 6.1, to then make a vague statement about there being maybe 3 24man raids in Endwalker?

[linayar]

Or we can just admit that they cancelled an ultimate because if we continue to play the delay game then we'll reach the end of XIV's lifespan at some point. Do we really need to wait until they delay the ultimate for 11.5 to 12.1, which will never exist, to admit to the obvious?

Here is what I can admit:

They cut one Ultimate from Shadowbringers. So if Shadowbringers was to be your last FFXIV expansion, then this was cut content for you since you'll likely have to pay to buy Endwalker to play the 6.1 Ultimate as it will likely be a level 90 content instead of the originally planned level 80 content.

However, if you were planning to buy Endwalker regardless, then it is a delay and not a cut content as you will eventually get it (unless plans change and they really cancelled it).

Arguing semantics would be saying Ultimate is cut because there is only 1 or 2 planned for Endwalker instead of 3 as there is no Ultimate roadmap that would confirm that there were two other Ultimates already planned other than the Dragonsong War Ultimate.

They have forgotten why they made ultimates in the first place.

As a gift for those wanting more difficult fights? They certainly didn't make it so that people can hold that piece of content as hostage/ransom demand in return for their subscription or whatever.

People can freely subscribe/unsubscribe for whatever reason while SE will focus on making Ultimate when they can, not necessarily when players demand it.

[Absurdity]

As a gift for those wanting more difficult fights? They certainly didn't make it so that people can hold that piece of content as hostage/ransom demand in return for their subscription or whatever.

People can freely subscribe/unsubscribe for whatever reason while SE will focus on making Ultimate when they can, not necessarily when players demand it.

I think it was more of a tradeoff actually. They wanted to make savage easier or "more accessible" to the average player and in return those players who wanted difficult content, and wouldn't be satisfied by savage anymore, would get ultimate.


I'm not gonna claim that this was their intention when they made UCoB but it makes sense atleast. More people were able to experience and clear savage and the "hardcore" players would still get their super hard content so they had nothing to complain about.

[linayar]

I think it was more of a tradeoff actually. They wanted to make savage easier or "more accessible" to the average player and in return those players who wanted difficult content, and wouldn't be satisfied by savage anymore, would get ultimate in exchange.

That is along the same line of what I said, about it being for those who want more difficult fights since Savage is "easier" now than before. That said, the fact remains that Ultimate has not been released after every Savage tier and probably will never be released after every Savage tier. So it's not a 1-to-1 tradeoff for Savage being easier.

The Normal+Savage raid series is still the main raids for this game while Ultimate is a bonus fight. Some people might think differently and would only bother with a raid tier if it leads to an Ultimate, but that is not what the devs had in mind for Ultimate. They will prioritize a Normal+Savage raid tier for the expansion while Ultimate can happen or can be delayed if necessary.

[Ammokkx]

And here we observe the polite and friendly casual, defending the game from the "toxic" elite. I love these posts.

I mean, yeah, he's pretty bad, but let's not pretend like MPK isn't a notorious forum troll who starts threads for the sole purpose of getting... well... the reactions this thread has generated.

[linayar]

Actually I'd say it was more for the raiding playerbase as a whole, casual or hardcore. Savage and even EX content used to be more difficult since it was the only endgame content, but with the addition of Ultimate, they could start scaling that difficulty at a more accessible curve. Savage and EX participation has increased quite significantly.

If they stop making Ultimates, they might well consider bumping the difficulty of Savage and EX to compensate and keep the content relevant for long enough, shutting out a portion of the playerbase again.

Regardless, Ultimate is still not content that's released after every raid tier. And they've said that they like the current difficulty of Savage. So if they ever stop making Ultimate, or when they don't have an Ultimate in a tier, I doubt they'd go back to making harder Savage, let alone Extreme content.

[Ralph2449]

And here we observe the polite and friendly casual, defending the game from the "toxic" elite. I love these posts.

If that person ever played WoW, especially the latest expansion I would say their attitude is somewhat understandable considering what happens to a game when you focus on the high end and give scraps to "dirty casuals", I am certainly enjoying ff14 a lot and I absolutely do not wish to see it turn like WoW and the abhorent tryhard wow elitist community that mainly gotten worse because the devs kept focusing more and more on performance and high end content which attracts people with a very wrong mentality that forget this is a VIDEO GAME.

[Starflake]

You are clearly trolling and/or over the top bitter in a bad Drama Queen way of "those evil, evil cashuals ruining muh gaem. Me r totally innocant". Let it put me for you in very simple terms: No side is better or worse than the other. Toxcity exsists on both sides of the spectrum. Stop blaming and victimzing the sides as you see it fit for your narration. Of course there are toxcial casuals. Call the media or not as that is not a shocking twist of events. And vice versa.

It just absolutely blows my mind that even though you quoted me saying the person should argue with what I am actually saying, you basically rephrased the misrepresentation. Are you being serious? Like no offence but some of you silly as hell. I am obviously not saying all casual players are toxic. I am saying the casuals expressing this kind of toxic behaviour and that I am sick of it.The kind that says "stay out of our game elite scrum" or "there are a lot more of me than you, speak for yourself fool." This game is full of these weirdos. Hope this helps.

Also your claim that the toxicity evens out on both sides is based on nothing.

[Derio]

If we only get 1 ultimate in EW then hopefully this leads to more high end casual content or something new entirely. Still they need to keep ultimates showing in X.1 and X.5 patches. The mere hype they bring to the game and community is outstanding. I wonder how they will explain this to us when they say we will only have 1 ultimate for all of 6.0