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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtlesAWD View Post
    No this is accurate but what everyone parroting this refuses to grapple with is that taping a button down is an equivalent level of automation in terms of gameplay. Holding it down with my finger while using mouse settings to cause that to read as rapid clicking is, additionally, the same level of automation. Manually clicking the same spot with my actual finger with netflix open on another screen for 14 hours straight, thus circumventing the intended method of acquiring a house, is the same level of gameplay automation. There has yet to be a persuasive case in this thread as to why an autoclicker would fall under this ruling while any of these other methods don't.
    It's not an equivalent level of gameplay. The click spamming is using tools build within the game and doesn't break or exploit any game systems or gain an unfair advantage. Adding automation through autoclicking adds a greater advantage. Manual clicking takes work and endurance, they have to stop for toilet breaks, they might have to go to work, they might have to eat, sleep and have a life during the time they're trying to get a house, whilst your autoclicker can set and forget and have all the advantage.

    Manual clickers have a higher chance the more work they put in. Auto clickers have the advantage over somebody who puts all the effort in. It's an unauthorised tool that gives an unfair advantage of those in game and would be an exploit whereas the manual clickers would not by comparison. I think software to aid disability would be a stretch of interpreting the ToS, YoshiP went more into depth into their stance with what their stance is regarding third party tools, it edged more towards tools that give an unfair advantage or result in griefing.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtlesAWD View Post
    If you believe it's bad faith, I'm skeptical you read or understood my stated position on why I think it matters.

    People should be advocating for a better housing system in the first place because the current model encourages players to either spam click for hours on end or find a hardware or software based method of doing it - which has ultimately the same impact on gameplay. The rule everyone points to as to what's wrong with using an auto-clicker (while ignoring the problem with people manually clicking for 14 hours straight) is the use of third party software, even though it doesn't interact with or modify the game client. If ruled to include that kind of software, and applied in a consistent way, that would be an overreach as it would additionally encompass accessibility software, thus excluding people from play based on the equipment they need to do so.

    I'd even go further as to say that we should indeed be skeptical that the rule encompasses that type of software considering OP's account seems active, but that's not really the crux of my case, it's just bonus points.
    I 100% advocate for a better housing system. I've given my feedback in relevant housing threads of how I think it should be resolved.

    But also having gone through the trouble of being somebody trying to get a house without using a 3rd party tool for an RP event I run, so I could go through with ideas I have for it, I had to put in a lot of time and effort with no guaranteed outcome and finding people show up with bots grasping and advantage I don't have because I was being legit. Whilst they could set and forget, I'd have to compete against them or cut my losses.

    So yes, I also advocate people who make a crappy system crappier for those who aren't using exploits getting a bit of karma.

    I got one in the end at least.
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    Last edited by Saefinn; 02-19-2021 at 06:34 AM.

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