Gil stolen through market board

[Jijifli]

Alternatively the tool they used for auto-clicking doesn't fall within the criteria outlined in the ToS. Outside of what's been stated in this thread it's unlikely we're in a position to know.

2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

And in case you need your source, https://support.na.square-enix.com/r...1&tag=users_en

And to clarify since you are great at reading, an auto clicker is something that's automation software, and is something that modifies gameplay, by having it play for you.

If that's not clear enough, Why don't you open a gm ticket and ask them yourself? You'll get told the same thing within an hour I'm sure.

[ItMe]

There are community-driven resources to help track when plots pop and resources that have figured out the window a house can actually pop in is much smaller than it seems if you know when a plot became available.

Are those kosher?
And if so... can you share these resources?

[Jijifli]

Are those kosher?
And if so... can you share these resources?

discord.gg/saChECt

I can share Sadu's for housing.

[Shibi]

Are those kosher?

Absolutely, as it's manually done. When sweeping we travel to the Aetherytes a few times a day, scan each ward, and update the Discord with fresh plots as they are seen. Sarg should be as well covered as Faerie is (We have a very active bunch of people sweeping).

Sadu's is excellent.

[ItMe]

discord.gg/saChECt

I can share Sadu's for housing.

Absolutely, as it's manually done. When sweeping we travel to the Aetherytes a few times a day, scan each ward, and update the Discord with fresh plots as they are seen.

Holy cow...
Is this resource widely known?
This is incredibly helpful!
More people should know about this!
Thanks for the info and the link.

[Jijifli]

Holy cow...
Is this resource widely known?
This is incredibly helpful!
More people should know about this!
Thanks for the info and the link.

It seems known enough, far as I'm aware anyways.

Certainly a lot better than botting your way there <3

[TurtlesAWD]

Install a lag switch for playing on an online game. See if it gets you banned. Enough with this software VS hardware debate.

So you... agree with me, that there are both hardware and software methods of circumventing game systems, and you're angry about that, or like. What.

As someone with physical disabilities, I agree the housing system is quite terrible and aggressive repetitive clicking to attempt to win a house is not terribly accessible.

That said, it's still in the ToS that we cannot use third-party programs, and I abide by that, and do not expect to be allowed to break the rules and use third-party programs at this time.

It's not quite so obvious to me that this thread's particular interpretation of the rule encompass all programs, considering the apparent state of OP's account, but that said it seems at least unlikely to me they'd get their gil back.

I don't buy the argument that using a script is the same as standing around for fourteen hours clicking manually.

Everything worth earning in FFXIV comes from a commitment of time.

By using a script you are robbing someone else of their commitment by not even being at the keyboard when you buy the plot.

We kind of already had this conversation, doing something that's random for longer than somebody else doesn't earn you the "prize" for having done something random. Even at a glance this really doesn't hold up, I didn't use any tools to get my house, but I also didn't wait and click for hours. I walked up, clicked once, hit purchase. By your standards I cheated someone out of a house by simply using a keyboard, mouse, and 5 minutes of my time at 3AM.

The notion that doing something random for longer gives you a sense of entitlement to the end result is probably some form of the gambler's fallacy.

[Penthea]

We kind of already had this conversation, doing something that's random for longer than somebody else doesn't earn you the "prize" for having done something random. Even at a glance this really doesn't hold up, I didn't use any tools to get my house, but I also didn't wait and click for hours. I walked up, clicked once, hit purchase. By your standards I cheated someone out of a house by simply using a keyboard, mouse, and 5 minutes of my time at 3AM.

The notion that doing something random for longer gives you a sense of entitlement to the end result is probably some form of the gambler's fallacy.

A person's decision to cheat is diminishing the value of the commitments of those who do not cheat because by sticking to the rules you are automatically at a disadvantage if you're competing with someone who doesn't. If you don't cheat while you compete with a cheater your time has less potential value because it's less likely to result in success. This is what they mean.

[Packetdancer]

Let me try to make a quick analogy.

Imagine you are in a car on the freeway, and you enable cruise control; now the car is maintaining the speed you set (so that your foot doesn't cramp on the pedal, or you don't get sort of road-hazy and speed up beyond the speed limit).

It is not, however, driving for you; you still have your hands on the wheel, you are still in control of the car. The car is merely assisting you in the task. This is what's referred to as Level 1 (or 'Hands On') in engineering terminology for self-driving vehicles.

Now let's imagine you have a Level 5 system, "Steering Wheel Optional"; this is a hypothetical car where you can just get in and sit in the back and not worry, the car drives itself entirely. You could nap, or read a book, or watch a movie; the car does everything for you.

Assistive technologies to help with accessibility are the equivalent of Level 1 self-driving; they are there to help you, not to drive for you (or play the game for you).

Setting up a script to buy a house for you is the equivalent of Level 5 self-driving; you can ignore the system entirely. In the car analogy, you are not driving; with regards to the game, you are not playing. You can set up the script and wander off to a restaurant for dinner. Go see a movie. Visit a friend. Go to bed. Sleep. Wake up the next moring, grab breakfast, then go check on your script.

That's not playing the game. That is a bot.

In fact, they're sort of targeting completely opposite goals; assistive (Level 1) stuff is meant to help someone be [i]able[/b] to play the game; they still want to actually do the things themselves, they just want a way to be able to do it.

Fully automated (Level 5) stuff is meant to allow someone to benefit without needing to actually play the game at all.

They are not the same thing, and shouldn't be conflated as though they were.

[Doozer]

It's not quite so obvious to me that this thread's particular interpretation of the rule encompass all programs

I'm still quite entertained by your very deliberate choice of words. I interpret this as you being very experienced with breaking rules but wording it in such a way that it becomes too vague. But hey, that's just my interpretation of it. What I've learned here is that words mean whatever you think they mean.