Gil stolen through market board

[TurtlesAWD]

Oh that's a clever way to try to turn it around. Claim you're advocating for people instead of using them as a shield or a pawn in your argument. You never advocated for them, you said if someone with disabilities uses a third-party tool to play, then botting or using auto-clickers to buy houses should be allowed.

By all means find this quote for me. it's words you claim I said so surely you can observe where I said them. It's clearly a simplication of different semi-related points but don't let that stop you from misrepresenting me.

And you know literally nothing about my body. I'd love to know what system of logic you use to assume I'm able-bodied. Is it because I post on the forums? Because I don't condone cheating? What is it? Don't assume you know what someone's experiences are.

Stop trying to force a narrative where you're some knight in shining armour for the disablied and downtrodden, literally everyone can see what you're actually doing.

There are more than 2 types of bodies so people who are different than you, and also different than me, should be able to play the game. Nothing about you being potentially the same or potentially different than me makes my statement any more or less true.

As for the rest of your post, I'm sorry to say it but this is ultimately relevant - it seems many of the posters in this thread hold the position of "rules should be followed because they're the rules and we should all be obedient to authority" and I have to disagree, as I feel that we're not particularly under an obligation to follow bad rules, and you seem to be using some kind of opinion about my statement as a consistent deflection from having to grapple with if it's a bad rule. This isn't a judgement on whether the action taken is bad, or if there should be a rule against it in the abstract, it's a statment about the lack of consistency with which people find themselves willing to apply this rule, and to who, and what the other outcomes of that rule would be.

People point to another player's use of retainers to make some easy gil as a just punishment for a rule the game team describes, yet it seems those that should enforce the game's rules are the game's community team. And yet, it seems that the topic creator's character and account are still active, so... have we considered that the mob interpretation of this rule was incorrect all along? Have we considered that 2 wrongs don't make a right?

It's clear that whether a rule itself is bad or not, there are still ways to make the case that using auto-clickers are circumventing the system, but you seem unwilling to engage with that either, consistently deferring to the first point where you seem to believe I'm not allowed to claim the rule, or this thread's mass interpretation of the rule, is bad based on... I'm not sure what, to be honest.

[Doozer]

it seems many of the posters in this thread hold the position of "rules should be followed because they're the rules and we should all be obedient to authority"

I'm literally done with everything else you have to say because you're clearly just trolling now, but yes, in this case, you do have to follow the rules in this game. When you created your account, the service account you use to log into the game and the forums, you agree to follow their rules lest your account be suspended or terminated. By all means, take the risk and use cheating software or third-party tools, but by doing so you accept every risk and can't complain when you get busted. And I'm very eager and willing to type up a full and detailed report about anyone I find cheating, and with all the botting and crap going on since this game launched, I'm sure other people are also willing to call out anyone they find doing those things.

Since you'll just skim over that, let me reiterate in a single line for you: You agreed to their rules when you made your account. Follow them or accept the consequences. Is an in-game house worth losing your account? Go for it.

[MrMagic]

...or this thread's mass interpretation of the rule, is bad based on... I'm not sure what, to be honest.

It's against the ToS. It's against the ToS because it provides an unfair advantage. It's against the ToS because it provides an unfair advantage because it allows easy, absentee purchasing of plots over other players including all console players. It's spelt out for you. We're not just against bots because dems da rules.

Console players can have disabilities as well seeming as you keep gravitating to disabilities as your justification. Why should a PC player with a disability have an advantage over a console player with a disability?

[SturmChurro]

it seems many of the posters in this thread hold the position of "rules should be followed because they're the rules and we should all be obedient to authority" and I have to disagree, as I feel that we're not particularly under an obligation to follow bad rules.

Umm.. whether someone likes the rules or not, we all had to agree to the ToS, when we decided to play the game. By breaking the ToS, a person would be not only ignoring the terms they agreed to, they are liable for an account ban.

[van_arn]

Why argue over the merits of autoclickers? It’s not against the tos to place a retainer, transfer a plot, and overprice goods. If you don’t like autoclickers, you already have a fantastic set of tools to ruin an autoclicker’s day and turn a profit.

Autoclickers are going to be inevitable with the stupid system Square has set up, but if they cause enough people to get their gil wiped people will think twice about using them.

Plus we can use more threads like this to laugh at.

[TurtlesAWD]

IYou agreed to their rules when you made your account. Follow them or accept the consequences.

Yeah I dunno, it looks like they didn't ban OP, I guess I'm not overly worried they'll ban me for saying that OP's method isn't fundamentally different from other methods which people should also not use - and that there should be a better system to disincentivize their use.

Oh yes, because THAT'S how people use these bots including the OP.

You forgot to mention sleep clicking. It's a serious medical problem. I was clearly talking about heading to work etc. but if you want to do gardening with a wireless mouse in one hand, kudos.

I could tape a button down and go to work. Do you require an exhaustive list of every possible activity someone could engage in with a button taped down before you're ready to move on, or do you want to address whether there's a fundamental difference between using hardware and software for input? Do you consider a "bot" something that is only software based? I have a hard time believing you can rationalize that position.

The classical definition of a bot is a physical machine that automates away labor. A taped down button is as sophisticated a "bot" as a program that interacts with my mouse to click a specific location on my screen. That ultimately can be just as game client agnostic, just as ripe for other players to take advantage of in the same way, and have just as much of an impact on the play experience of other people in-game.

Report anyone condoning or defending the use of third party software. This is botting. Don't try to negotiate with posters trying to 'rationalize' cheating just because the current housing situation isn't good. You not being able to get a plot doesn't mean you can just break the rules to acquire one.

Can't stress this enough, you should really read the thread.

It's against the ToS. It's against the ToS because it provides an unfair advantage. It's against the ToS because it provides an unfair advantage because it allows easy, absentee purchasing of plots over other players including all console players. It's spelt out for you. We're not just against bots because dems da rules.

Console players can have disabilities as well seeming as you keep gravitating to disabilities as your justification. Why should a PC player with a disability have an advantage over a console player with a disability?

I mean... pc players shouldn't have an advantage, that's... literally my point. That's what I've been saying. The type of tools people need in order to play the game should be allowed. That includes consoles as well. And the tools able-bodied gamers use to play the game can likewise be used to the same ends, so the issue would be player incentive to do it by any method, not the specific method chosen to do so. I'm not sure where the disconnect here is coming from.

[Jijifli]

Yeah I dunno, it looks like they didn't ban OP,

Actually you make a fair point here.

You can go onto Square official locations, proudly admit to cheating, and not suffer any punishment for it.

And people think I'm just wearing a tin foil hat for saying Square literally doesn't ban bots because $$$$$$

[TurtlesAWD]

Alternatively the tool they used for auto-clicking doesn't fall within the criteria outlined in the ToS. Outside of what's been stated in this thread it's unlikely we're in a position to know.

[MrMagic]

Yeah I dunno, it looks like they didn't ban OP, I guess I'm not overly worried they'll ban me for saying that OP's method isn't fundamentally different from other methods which people should also not use - and that there should be a better system to disincentivize their use.

What rock have you been under that you have never heard of a ban wave? And banning is not the only punishment tool they have. Also not going to address your other points. You lost me when you spun my point into saying we should add bots to consoles. I'm pretty sure it's a joke at this point.

[TurtlesAWD]

Yes it's clear I've lost you, but that's fine. As long as I'm in the zoo I can still holler at the animals.