This has now become beyond ridiculous!

[wereotter]

Dude, I don't care. Don't release something unfinished. lol It's 1.0 all over again just on a smaller scale. You'd think they wouldn't forget as fast.

Of course it's not the individual developer but someone way higher up. Doesn't change the fact, no matter how early in advance they told us about it.

And can we please stop equating criticism with bashing developers? It's like specifying that everything one writes is his own opinion. Should really go without saying.

And Yoshi and team are a bloody blessing for this game. lol

But that doesn't mean I automatically agree 100%. And the headgear situation is one of them.

We can debate about if they should have done more to complete the races before launch, and I would say that you're right. They should be finished when they launch them. But they also set expectations that headgear would not be an option on launch, and then COVID happened, and has been said and resaid, when they're struggling to even release patches and events, making more hats fit so that a minority of the playerbase can wear them gets pushed back on priority so that the content that 100% of players can take part in gets put out.

It's disingenuous to be told "this will not work" then get angry that what they told you up front turns out to be the truth... and if I'm being entirely cynical, I wouldn't expect any hats ever to be added. Consider how long people have been asking for things they've said they'd add more of later. We haven't had new egi glamors since the launch in Heavensward, and people have been asking for highlander eyebrows for... I can't even say how many years. Yes. It's frustrating. But it's good to temper your expectations based on both the front loading of what they told us about the races, and the history they have of "we'll add more over time"

[SturmChurro]

My point being.. again.. where does it say they will never get any of the new headgear?

Believe it or not, I was actually agreeing with you (or at least I think I was). They only ruled out ALL headgear, that doesn't mean nothing. We could perhaps see a small selection of hats even, such as artifact gear, if they really wanted to, AND keep to their word. I think. However, people really shouldn't be surprised when they continue to not receive these items.

The outrage should be how these races are treated/ignored. Like I said, it's as if they do not exist. Continuously doing events where viera cannot use the items, even though there are specific headgear types they could have added instead, or alternatively that would actually have been usable by these races. Not only that, probably more popular than a recycled hat. I think the icing on the cake would be for people who not only play viera/hrothgar, but also do not have a house, so the other event reward(s) are unusable too!

As far as I am aware, not a single update for viera/hrothgar (that was promised) has been released, and it's nearly the next expansion already. Imagine if they don't announce any updates in May?!

We can debate about if they should have done more to complete the races before launch, and I would say that you're right. They should be finished when they launch them. But they also set expectations that headgear would not be an option on launch, and then COVID happened, and has been said and resaid, when they're struggling to even release patches and events, making more hats fit so that a minority of the playerbase can wear them gets pushed back on priority so that the content that 100% of players can take part in gets put out.

It's disingenuous to be told "this will not work" then get angry that what they told you up front turns out to be the truth... and if I'm being entirely cynical, I wouldn't expect any hats ever to be added. Consider how long people have been asking for things they've said they'd add more of later. We haven't had new egi glamors since the launch in Heavensward, and people have been asking for highlander eyebrows for... I can't even say how many years. Yes. It's frustrating. But it's good to temper your expectations based on both the front loading of what they told us about the races, and the history they have of "we'll add more over time"

Covid.. again? Viera/hrothgar were "completed" PRIOR to Covid. Not a single update during 2019, even though they promised hair "of course". While every other race in the game before, AND DURING Covid have received regular updates, new hairstyles, and usable event rewards. While viera/hrothgar are sitting on the sidelines with NOTHING. Where are our race specific hairs? 6.0?!

[kidalutz]

Just pointing out screaming about what year it is isn't going to miraculously change the inherent structure of old programming limitations. It also makes the entirety of what follows the statement even when fact and logic is brought into the discussion look like a wild Karen appeared.

[BiddyBatnana]

Viera and Hrothgar are just doomed,

I don't think they will ever be improved.
Even if the team give us two/three more hairstyles it won't change the fact that these two playable species are basically a scam compared to the others due to their limitations, especially the Mog Station related item not being compatible.

That's how I see things and I totally understand the OP

What could balance things a little would be specific headgear for both, themed around the lore of the species but also MS hairstyles redesigned in a way that they look suited for these races.

[Doozer]

Interesting that people won't let go of Viera and Hrothgar not being able to wear hats, whereas those of us who play Au Ra whose faces are still linked to horn shapes always get forgotten in related arguments, and it's been that way since HW. Oh, and Miqo'te ears being linked to hairstyles.

Lots of the races have limitations, and I'm pretty sure SE is already aware you're not happy with it. So either move on or pick a different race to play. We can't all get what we want. And there really doesn't need to be a new thread about this every week.

[spf1200]

It's ok because we were told before hand that this would be the case. Not sure what you expected

[DynnDiablos]

No head pieces, fine I am okay with that. However, they did say we would see new hairstyles and over 1.5 years later nothing. The fact they wouldn't even make the new hairstyles work is beyond unacceptable to me. Seems to me, neither Viera nor Hrothgar should have been added in the first place if they were going to be treated like cast off trash.

[LaylaTsarra]

No head pieces, fine I am okay with that. However, they did say we would see new hairstyles and over 1.5 years later nothing. The fact they wouldn't even make the new hairstyles work is beyond unacceptable to me. Seems to me, neither Viera nor Hrothgar should have been added in the first place if they were going to be treated like cast off trash.

My big issue is hairstyles too and the fact that new events exclude them from rewards given hats seems to be a popular event item. If you're going to offer a head piece at least make a separate one if necessary to fit the new races.

I love my Viera and won't give them up because of head items but I sincerely hope we will see significant additions even if it means coming with the xpac.

[Novae]

SE could, you know, give something else than hats for these events. Boots, gloves, whatever.

[Iscah]

Again.. where does it say the two new races will never get any new hats?

Right at the top.

Q: With the two new races' unique heads, how will their headgear work?

A: It won't be displayed, because those face parts wouldn't work in FFXIV's system if headgear were involved.

They said the face parts will not work with headgear. It's not just a backwards compatibility issue.

Maybe there are mods that can do it, but perhaps there are other difficulties at a system level - or why would they deliberately hobble themselves with refusing to use that method when they know people want it?