Instead of cutting Ultimate from 5.5 why not cut bozja?

[Vahlnir]

If there is anything I have taken away from this whole debate, it's that the "casual" playerbase is the most toxic online community I have ever seen and confirms my suspicion that this community is a positive toxic one. It almost makes me physically ill to think off how two faced and "good" this community is. Blindly defending a company that just wishes to bank on you. Like kissing the ball that chains you.

It's shady and I as a customer feel blatantly used through omission of information. People keep moaning about covid-19 and SE. I have a difficult time too during the pandemic! I would have spent the 50 euros I could have saved on something else instead. Now to me it's just wasted money. I immediately quit, haven't even finished the tier as I don't care.

You're painting with a pretty broad stroke there. Does FF XIV's player base have it's own brand of toxicity? Yeah, but that isn't everyone. I don't particularly care for being called something I'm not. I'm a casual with a lot of time and activity put into the game, and I never kiss the ball and chain. I'm usually very vocal on the forums if I disagree with them on something. I am also one of the least toxic casuals you will ever meet (in my opinion at least, I'm sure someone hates me somewhere though!) I do agree that the devs prioritize the wrong things at times though when more pressing matters should be attended to first. However, as far as this topic goes...it was the new expansion, or a new ultimate. They literally could not do both with how things are set up over there. So...pick your poison. A new expansion, at least another half a year away from the intended release date, or a new raid full of mini bosses. They had to prioritize what would upset the least amount of people, and that is exactly what they did. I don't think they should have had to made that call, but they said why. And it was completely understandable. You don't even have to believe them for their reasoning, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be true. You are also free to feel upset by this. That is also understandable. Good luck on your travels I guess. You won't find 0 toxicity regardless anywhere on the internet. Just...try not to be so judgy at your next destination, yeah? Especially when you don't even see the full picture.

[Starflake]

You're painting with a pretty broad stroke there. Does FF XIV's player base have it's own brand of toxicity? Yeah, but that isn't everyone. I don't particularly care for being called something I'm not. I do agree that the devs prioritize the wrong things at times though when more pressing matters should be attended to first. However, as far as this topic goes...it was the new expansion, or a new ultimate. They literally could not do both with how things are set up over there. So...pick your poison. A new expansion, at most another half a year away from the intended release date, or a new raid full of mini bosses. They had to prioritize what would upset the least amount of people, and that is exactly what they did. I don't think they should have had to made that call, but they said why. And it was completely understandable. You don't even have to believe them for their reasoning, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be true. You are also free to feel upset by this. That is also understandable. Good luck on your travels I guess. You won't find 0 toxicity regardless anywhere on the internet.

Are we still at this immature stage where one has to clarify that obviously not all people are as I stated. You don't have to treat me like a toddler mate, I know the nuance and I expect this to be basic knowledge. Also I don't even know who you are but I guess you feel as if you are targeted ("I don't particularly care for being called something I'm not"). Maybe an eye opener for you.

Quite convenient is it, that the content originally scheduled for August 11th last year had to be sacrificed to release the expansion on time, which is of course also delayed by the courtesy of Covid-19. We already have a delayed expansion. So again, I am asking why we got all this fluff nobody asked for and put their resources into Ultimate instead. Because you seem to ignore what I am actually saying. I am questioning if it really is that black and white (expansion v Ultimate). Seems to me a lot of bad decisions releasing content that's prioritized over an Ultimate. Nah this game has gotten incredibly lazy and I'm not afraid to say it. Reskinned content, Shadowbringers has been the absolute worst. I have seen very little actual originality at all and Ultimates follow that same pattern. Which is also why 6.1 is the final chance for me and I will quit the game.

What I am seeing this expansion:

- A lot of Mogstation stuff
- A lot of reskinning (poor gear sets, not much choice)
- A lot of reskinning of mobs (same skeletons etc)
- No Deep Dungeon
- Extremes quite poor (increasingly easy)


But most important for me personally, the raiding. We'll probably have three Unreal trials by the way by the end of the expansion? Again, it's a reused extremes which is using up resources. I just see so much in this expansion which could and actually should have given way to the Ultimate. But hey man, it's whatever for me. I lost 50 euros for no reason and I'm not touching the game till the next Expansion. SE is not your friend. They are greedy and they want your money. They don't love you.

[Vahlnir]

Are we still at this immature stage where one has to clarify that obviously not all people are as I stated. You don't have to treat me like a toddler mate, I know the nuance and I expect this to be basic knowledge. Also I don't even know who you are but I guess you feel as if you are targeted ("I don't particularly care for being called something I'm not"). Maybe an eye opener for you.

Not really. Heck, believe it or not I'm not even offended. That takes a lot to do. I don't know who you are either, and it can stay that way. Mostly just wanted to point out that not all of us are like that, and that is what your post was implying. You came in hot and never specified, so...wouldn't be the first time someone tried to paint a large swath of the player base that way. I'm also no mind reader, though that would be nice at times. I'm a no nonsense kind of guy, in that I take absolutely none of it from anyone. By the time I wake up tomorrow morning I will forget this conversation ever happened. As to the rest of your post...we will have to agree to disagree on certain things, and that's okay.

[Starflake]

Not really. Heck, believe it or not I'm not even offended. That takes a lot to do. I don't know who you are either, and it can stay that way. Mostly just wanted to point out that not all of us are like that, and that is what your post was implying. You came in hot and never specified, so...wouldn't be the first time someone tried to paint a large swath of the player base that way. I'm also no mind reader, though that would be nice at times. I'm a no nonsense kind of guy, in that I take absolutely none of it from anyone. By the time I wake up tomorrow morning I will forget this conversation ever happened. As to the rest of your post...we will have to agree to disagree on certain things, and that's okay.

This post is quite literally the embodiment of the positive toxicity I was talking about. Well done, I guess.

[ShanaShirayuki]

But most important for me personally, the raiding. We'll probably have three Unreal trials by the way by the end of the expansion? Again, it's a reused extremes which is using up resources. I just see so much in this expansion which could and actually should have given way to the Ultimate. But hey man, it's whatever for me. I lost 50 euros for no reason and I'm not touching the game till the next Expansion. SE is not your friend. They are greedy and they want your money. They don't love you.

Speaking of Unreal, I find it hilarious when I see Legend players fail at Titan Unreal. They could have paid for clears, or they got carried. Either way, the titles are starting to have the stigma that mentor crowns have.

[technole]

Unreals are kind of just the same old extreme content and mechanics, like the effort to rebalance to current gear isn't that large as making a near 20-minute ultimate with modified and harder mechanics.

Speaking of Unreal, I find it hilarious when I see Legend players fail at Titan Unreal. They could have paid for clears, or they got carried. Either way, the titles are starting to have the stigma that mentor crowns have.

Titan Unreal is practically the same extreme from 2013 just with retuned hp, and some legends hadn't been in the game when it was relevant. Not exactly a comparison. legend btw is a normal meme for any death made in any content.

[Avatre]

Unreals are kind of just the same old extreme content and mechanics, like the effort to rebalance to current gear isn't that large as making a near 20-minute ultimate with modified and harder mechanics.



Titan Unreal is practically the same extreme from 2013 just with retuned hp, and some legends hadn't been in the game when it was relevant. Not exactly a comparison. legend btw is a normal meme for any death made in any content.

This is one reason why I advocate for people being required to clear something synced before they can go into it unsynced. Let them learn the mechanics, or at least see them since there are lots of people who can't learn by seeing something the first time, before being able to cheese it. A whole hell of a lot of mechanics you see in newer content was first seen in those older extremes.