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  1. #11
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    Rongway's Avatar
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    Will whm get its elements back and expand on the lillies or will they delete assize and misery for not being "pure healer" enough?
    This one isn't worth worrying about. "Pure healer" is just Japanese people's way of saying "not a shield healer". It doesn't mean literally "someone who only heals" as an English speaker would interpret it.
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  2. #12
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    Lysithea Crestwind
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    Sophia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    I don't know about Gundam, never bothered to watch any of it, but Sage kinda reminds me of Vergil's summoned swords from Devil may cry, which is really cool.
    Can't wait to try make a gender swapped cosplay glam of it

    It's also very nice to finally have a healer class that isn't overly feminine in it's animations and style, not that i dislike those things, but it's nice to have variety of style in the healer role.
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    This one isn't worth worrying about. "Pure healer" is just Japanese people's way of saying "not a shield healer". It doesn't mean literally "someone who only heals" as an English speaker would interpret it.
    Considering they nerfed ED because they "wanted SCH heal more", anything is possible. They could quite easily decide they "want WHM to use lilies to heal more" and stop using Assize for dps.
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  4. #14
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    Yesunova Hotgo
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    Balmung
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Considering they nerfed ED because they "wanted SCH heal more", anything is possible. They could quite easily decide they "want WHM to use lilies to heal more" and stop using Assize for dps.
    Yep, though I think WHM needs an Energy Drain equivalent, in the sense they need something that's not a healing spell they can dump lilies on. When I have no healing to do I'm just having to force out heals needlessly to get Afflatus Misery. I took my WHM to Bozja last weekend and found myself with full lilies being like "I have nothing spend these on", which I know was the core complaint that had SCH get Energy Drain back.
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  5. #15
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    Esther Harper
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    Zodiark
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    Yep, though I think WHM needs an Energy Drain equivalent, in the sense they need something that's not a healing spell they can dump lilies on. When I have no healing to do I'm just having to force out heals needlessly to get Afflatus Misery. I took my WHM to Bozja last weekend and found myself with full lilies being like "I have nothing spend these on", which I know was the core complaint that had SCH get Energy Drain back.
    Sitting on 3 lilies because there's nothing to heal, no transition to dump them on and just throwing them out for nothing would be a dps loss feels bad, same with SCH before they got ED back and to some extend still the case with fairy gauge. It shouldn't be optimal gameplay to ignore your secondary resources from time to time.
    Banking some because you know heavy damage is coming up is one thing but not even having the option to spend them on something else is a different matter and should really be adressed. Plus it may solve a lot of the mobility and clipping issues WhM still has.
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  6. #16
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    Laphicet Melophicet
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    Yep, though I think WHM needs an Energy Drain equivalent, in the sense they need something that's not a healing spell they can dump lilies on. When I have no healing to do I'm just having to force out heals needlessly to get Afflatus Misery. I took my WHM to Bozja last weekend and found myself with full lilies being like "I have nothing spend these on", which I know was the core complaint that had SCH get Energy Drain back.
    Don't do that, afflatus misery is a DPS loss if the heal is wasted. (900p from misery vs 1200p from 4 glares), it's also not a gain in AOE (4 holies at 150 potency = 600 per target VS 900+(450x(targets-1)), misery still less). It's a catch up tool at best and optimal WHM play results in it not being used until people take hits 3 times or you get autoattack'd low enough to have to heal. Often resulting in lily charges being used between battles instead so you can open the next fight with a 900p spell.
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  7. #17
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    Raina Meerbow
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    Cerberus
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    Paladin Lv 90
    While I don't know how Gundam inspired the new healer, it does give me the impression they also had some inspiration from Vindictus (a character there uses a lot of floating weapons known as Phantom Daggers).
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  8. #18
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    Kakita Ucalibur
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    Siren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piarkire View Post
    While I don't know how Gundam inspired the new healer, it does give me the impression they also had some inspiration from Vindictus (a character there uses a lot of floating weapons known as Phantom Daggers).
    This should give you a bit of a hint as the trailer even replicated this attack. The Fin Funnels can also create a defensive barrier.
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  9. #19
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    Yesunova Hotgo
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Laphicet View Post
    Don't do that, afflatus misery is a DPS loss if the heal is wasted. (900p from misery vs 1200p from 4 glares), it's also not a gain in AOE (4 holies at 150 potency = 600 per target VS 900+(450x(targets-1)), misery still less). It's a catch up tool at best and optimal WHM play results in it not being used until people take hits 3 times or you get autoattack'd low enough to have to heal. Often resulting in lily charges being used between battles instead so you can open the next fight with a 900p spell.
    I know it's a DPS loss, but it's /something/ to break out of a Glare or Holy spam. It's little, but...it's something. Because my god does it get dull.
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    The concept of floating weapons that revolve around the wielder goes back further than Gundam, I'm sure. Fin Funnels on their own were likely inspired from displays of telekinetic ability used offensively from various displays in fiction and fantasy that go way back; but I think it was Gundam that mechanized the concept into Fin Funnels, using rocket propulsion and user-input programming in place of mind control over the weapons; they also gave them defensive capability with the barriers. I could be wrong though.

    I wouldn't say Sage is inspired from solely Gundam, as the Nouliths combine both mechanized technology and mind control. I think that might be why when "Gundam" was brought to Yoshi-san's attention, his facial expression kind of read, "Well... not entirely". It's going to be interesting to see the various designs of the Nouliths.
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    Last edited by Gemina; 02-15-2021 at 01:24 AM.

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