This has now become beyond ridiculous!

[Vahlnir]

They'd get some, not all. Particularly hats, helmets. "Not 100% of headgear".

I'm more concerned that they have seem to have forgotten about them. They get left out of a multitude of event rewards, and have gotten zero updates, even though it was stated they would receive more hairs. They have gone on to update this game, as if viera/hrothgar don't even exist. EVEN IF they announced some new hairstyles in May, or for 6.0, that's WAY TOO long of a wait! I just wonder how many hairstyles, and event items, viera will continue to be left out of during EW..

Yeah...as much as I love playing Hrothgar, I can only take the limitations for so long. I went back to my midlander. lol They also make some gunblades look like toothpicks, but that's a less important nitpick at the end of the day. I really hope they have some things planned for Viera and Hrothgar in Endwalker, because they have already let these 2 races go as they are long enough. I want to stick with Hrothgar, but SE is making it really, really hard. That's a shame too, because I think these 2 races are great and that they have a lot of potential.

[SturmChurro]

Yeah...as much as I love playing Hrothgar, I can only take the limitations for so long. I went back to my midlander. lol They also make some gunblades look like toothpicks, but that's a less important nitpick at the end of the day. I really hope they have some things planned for Viera and Hrothgar in Endwalker, because they have already let these 2 races go as they are long enough. I want to stick with Hrothgar, but SE is making it really, really hard. That's a shame too, because I think these 2 races are great and that they have a lot of potential.

Sounds like you feel the same way I do, even fantasiaing back like me... Me too! I hope they can actually use half the event rewards, and MAYBE, just maybe they end up getting hairstyle (or face) updates like everyone else. Both hrothgar and viera do have a lot of potential, but they just get left behind, and it's really frustrating.

[LogicMouse]

They had been very upfront about the headgear for the new races. They did say they would work on it but it would be awhile.

[Vidu]

I don't remember them saying NEVER. I recall quite a few statements of adaptation over time. It has been some time. I don't even play Viera or Hrothgar but.. the sentiment is understandable.

You know, I wouldnt be surprised if the items they were planning to add "bit by bit" were those that the team managed to get done in their own time, behind Yoshidas back - so instead of every patch being something minor like "Hooray, Viera and Hrothgar can use this one type of flower for their hair now!" we got everything at once (even the glasses, that Yoshida said we wouldnt get).

Each time I read a post like the OPs, I'm feeling more and more like as if they shouldnt have done any of this in the first place. They had communicated that adding a new race wasnt really a possibility, but people cried, so they somehow pulled it off. And now people are crying again because they dont understand that they actually meant what they said when they said "No helmets, no hats"...

[Krotoan]

Q: With the two new races' unique heads, how will their headgear work?

A: It won't be displayed, because those face parts wouldn't work in FFXIV's system if headgear were involved. Even Viera ears would've had to be moved down to where Miqo'te ears are. It would've been meaningless if you couldn't go all-out creating characters from these new races, so we decided that helmets wouldn't be necessary. You can equip them, but they won't be displayed. However, things that replace the head are OK, like the snowman head, fat chocobo head, etc. No glasses. Basically, the default is that it won't be shown, and only things that replace the head are ok. We'll make more things compatible over time, bit by bit, but they won't be compatible at launch.

This is a translated Q&A from March 2019.
https://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201903240006/

It was after this interview that Yoshida learned that some of his staff had done off the clock work making a limited number of pieces of headgear work for viera and hrothgar work. But the initial implementation was always to be that the only pieces that would be display are those that replace the entire head. They did indeed make more available. But it shouldn't really be a surprise that with all the other stresses on the work environment over the past year that adding additional helms to the races was not considered a high priority. Playable content always takes priority over something like this where the game works even if you can't wear hats, especially when this is an issue that effects less than 10% of the playerbase.

Again.. where does it say the two new races will never get any new hats?

They'd get some, not all. Particularly hats, helmets. "Not 100% of headgear".

I'm more concerned that they have seem to have forgotten about them. They get left out of a multitude of event rewards, and have gotten zero updates, even though it was stated they would receive more hairs. They have gone on to update this game, as if viera/hrothgar don't even exist. EVEN IF they announced some new hairstyles in May, or for 6.0, that's WAY TOO long of a wait! I just wonder how many hairstyles, and event items, viera will continue to be left out of during EW..

My point being.. again.. where does it say they will never get any of the new headgear?

You know, I wouldnt be surprised if the items they were planning to add "bit by bit" were those that the team managed to get done in their own time, behind Yoshidas back - so instead of every patch being something minor like "Hooray, Viera and Hrothgar can use this one type of flower for their hair now!" we got everything at once (even the glasses, that Yoshida said we wouldnt get).

Each time I read a post like the OPs, I'm feeling more and more like as if they shouldnt have done any of this in the first place. They had communicated that adding a new race wasnt really a possibility, but people cried, so they somehow pulled it off. And now people are crying again because they dont understand that they actually meant what they said when they said "No helmets, no hats"...

could be.. but also.. again.. If they said "the two new races will never get any new headgear" I'd concede that.. but.. they left it quite open ended and implied that it would merely take longer to adapt some rewards (though not all).




What I'm trying to say is that there was never a direct statement that the two new races were just not going to get any new headgear ever and the sentiment of frustration at not getting event headgear (or even a replacement) for an event conceived nearly 2 years after the race has been released is pretty understandable.

[Kaurhz]

Jesus, at least segment this wall..

In any case why not at least wait until the next announcement set to see if they do anything with Viera and Hrothgar, especially seeing as they have no new races planned

[LisSquid]

The exceptions are because employees at Square did work off the clock, on their own time, to make them work, and this was done without even Yoshida's knowledge until it was complete and ready to launch. (This is also why we have flying in ARR zones)

It may not be the intent because who knows what people actually knew about the background there, but it ends up reading like "I want more people to spend their time working for free so I can benefit" Viera hats aren't a priority, especially when you consider that this year patches had to be delayed and seasonal events eliminated or merged with other events just so they could keep on top of the workload and strain provided by the global pandemic.

I don't mean to be rude, but you're reading a lot into my post that I didn't write.

They said viera would get more unique viera hair, and I'm holding them to that. That wasn't from demands or feedback, that was part of the initial reveal when they said they would not be getting head pieces. That's not asking for people to work for free. That's asking for what SE said they would deliver on.

[Yencat]

I don't mean to be rude, but you're reading a lot into my post that I didn't write.

They said viera would get more unique viera hair, and I'm holding them to that. That wasn't from demands or feedback, that was part of the initial reveal when they said they would not be getting head pieces. That's not asking for people to work for free. That's asking for what SE said they would deliver on.

Great, isn't it?

Soon SE will reveal they made Endwalker in their free time and then they can just shut down the forums because asking for anything would clearly mean demanding people work even more in their free time.

[Cebreus]

I know the whole headgear debacle will always be discussed until they actually notify us on an update, but as of now I'm currently happy with making do with what I'm offered playing as a Viera.

The only piece of headgear I would love would be like a plated set which will cover your face, but instead of covering the ears, they could put like a plated cover just on the front of Viera ears, love having a fully armoured character let alone a Viera which is like this!

Or even if a Viera is wearing a hat, if the ears are an issue they could have the ear option that Viera have (the ones which bend) and just have the ears bend inside, I know there's system limitations, just a few ideas that spring to mind.

[LisSquid]

I know the whole headgear debacle will always be discussed until they actually notify us on an update, but as of now I'm currently happy with making do with what I'm offered playing as a Viera.

The only piece of headgear I would love would be like a plated set which will cover your face, but instead of covering the ears, they could put like a plated cover just on the front of Viera ears, love having a fully armoured character let alone a Viera which is like this!

Or even if a Viera is wearing a hat, if the ears are an issue they could have the ear option that Viera have (the ones which bend) and just have the ears bend inside, I know there's system limitations, just a few ideas that spring to mind.

I have done a bit of testing and documenting on the hats we can and cannot wear on Viera. What I have noticed is that it's not the ears that seem to be the issue, but the hair and head shape. The full helmets we can wear replace the headslot completely (see: shadowless helm of fending).

The only issue I would se for armored ears is that, while Viera ears are hardly animated, they would need to make 4 separate models for the ear shapes respectfully. Miqo'te and Elezen still have some "ear socks" on helms (I think they gave up on miqo'te ears, cannot be sure offhand) but all Elezen ear armor is uniform regardless of what ear you chose. Humanish/tolkein ears? Too bad. You get the big head spokes and like it.

That's not something that is easily done for viera.